What clear evidence in the OT that Jesus will be resurrected?

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I’ve had some debates with Muslims regarding OT evidence of Jesus being resurrected. They say that the OT doesn’t say Jesus died and the NT has manipulated the OT to imply the resurrection.

Can any clear unambiguous OT passages be provided to support the resurrection (not opinions, assumptions)

Thank you!
 
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Isaiah 53:11-12 After the anguish of His soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied. By His knowledge My
righteous Servant will justify many, and He will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will allot Him a portion with the
great, and He will divide the spoils with the strong, because He has poured out His life unto death, and He was
numbered with the transgressors. Yet He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors.

The 17th-century Jewish historian, Raphael Levi, admitted that long ago the rabbis used to read Isaiah 53 in ​
synagogues, but after the chapter caused “arguments and great confusion” the rabbis decided that the simplest​
thing would be to just take that prophecy out of the Haftarah readings in synagogues. That’s why today when​
we read Isaiah 52, we stop in the middle of the chapter, and the week after, we jump straight to Isaiah 54.2​
—Eitan Bar source​
 
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Matthew 12:40
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40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus compared what would happen to Him, with what happened to Jonah.

Jonah was in Sheol for 3 days and nights, and then was "resurrected" to deliver his message of repent or else.
 
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Needevidence said:
I’ve had some debates with Muslims regarding OT evidence of Jesus being resurrected. They say that the OT doesn’t say Jesus died and the NT has manipulated the OT to imply the resurrection.

Can any clear unambiguous OT passages be provided to support the resurrection (not opinions, assumptions)

Thank you!
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Isa 53:1 Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people?
Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Verses 1-9 clearly describe Jesus' suffering and death, while verses 10-12, his resurrection and its results. You're welcome!
 
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Needevidence said:
I’ve had some debates with Muslims
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That's your FIRST Mistake. Paul didn't "Debate" with the LOST. He simply presented Jesus, and Him Crucified, and let the Holy Spirit take it from there to provide "CONVICTION OF SIN" which is the beginning of faith. No "Conviction" = no conversion.

ISLAM (like any successful HERESY/CULT) has a theological "Answer" for everything.

They say that the OT doesn’t say Jesus died
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Dan 9:26 "messiah shall be Cut off"
 
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Festival of First Fruits

1 Corinthians 15:20
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
 
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Needevidence said:
They say that the OT doesn’t say Jesus died
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They do more than that since they deny the crucifixion of Jesus completely, including new testament witnesses.
According to Islam, Muslims believe that Allah swapped Jesus with another man who was made to look exactly
like Him right before the crucifixion. With no crucifixion, there is no resurrection, and Christianity is supposedly
gutted, which is their purpose. Watch out for takiyya when discussing with Muslims.
 
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PennEd said:
Matthew 12:40
New King James Version
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus compared what would happen to Him, with what happened to Jonah.

Jonah was in Sheol for 3 days and nights, and then was "resurrected" to deliver his message of repent or else.
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That is only a sliver of the sign of Jonah. Prior to going to Nineveh he was given the message to preach to Jerusalem to repent, they repented and God relented. That is why when God sent him to Nineveh he refused. But this is like Jesus, He also preached to Israel and Jerusalem and before the gospel wen to the nations He was crucified, three days in the belly of the beast and then resurrected. Next it is a half days journey into the city and half a year later the disciples begin to preach to repent on the day of Pentecost. Jonah preached that in 40 days destruction would come and sure enough 40 years later as the disciples preached to repent Jerusalem and the temple and all the Jews were destroyed and scattered to the four winds of the earth.

But this message from Jonah to repent is for both Jews and the Nations. He preached in both Jerusalem and Nineveh.

However, the context of this word in Mattew 12:40 is that the religious leaders had made an official declaration that Jesus was casting out demons by the prince of the demons. That was what Jesus was referring to as the unforgivable sin. In the gospel of John they ask the Lord if they also were blind. Jesus said that because they said they saw their sin would remain. In the book of Jonah God forgives Nineveh because they didn't know their right hand from their left.

There are two sides to the sign of Jonah. One side are those who do know their right hand from their left like the Jewish leaders, they were judged 40 years to the day from when Jesus proclaimed they had committed the unforgivable sin and they asked for a sign that God was going to judge them and He said they would get the sign of Jonah. We know that He said this at the start of his ministry to Judea, and that was about six months before his crucifixion. I think it is very likely that this was proclaimed on the 9th of Av in 30 AD and Jesus was crucified in 31 AD. Paul talks about receiving 40 stripes less one. For 39 years the Jewish leaders were whipped. There are historical records about all the issues they had with their worship and temple from the time of Jesus' crucifixion.

But then, if the temple was destroyed 40 years to the day after this declaration. What about the nations? They were given 40 Jubilees. Now you could say 40x50 = 2000 + 30 AD will indicate that the Ezekiel 38 War begins in 2030, or you can say 40x49+1 = 1961+70AD = 2031 when Armageddon completely destroys the armies of Antichrist.

I get that a jubilee is 50 years, but the 50th year is the first year of the next series of seven sabbaths of years. 50 is the completion of grace and 40 is a full period of trial and testing. This results in the two full days that Hosea refers to. Also, from Abraham to Jesus is two thousand years, that is the time that the Jews were given so it is only fair that the Nations also get two thousand years as well to come to the full knowledge of Jesus Christ.
 
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Ps 16: 10, "For thou will not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption."
 
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Needevidence said:
Can any clear unambiguous OT passages be provided to support the resurrection (not opinions, assumptions)
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Yes. But Muslims won't believe either the OT and the NT. Tell them that Mohammad had access to both, therefore he spoke about both Mary and Jesus. So that is a flimsy excuse. But here is the passage (Job 19:25-27) which they will not understand without the NT.

For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: and though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Since Job and his friends only spoke about "the Almighty" (referring to God) obviously this someone else. Yet Job call his Redeemer "God" and that he will see Him on the earth when Job himself is resurrected.

But don't waste your time providing "evidence" to Muslims. They are just playing games with you.
 
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Many thanks for your responses, many I have argued myself already. It will be too long for me to respond to every point. I have cherry picked some points which I have argued and the response I have received against;

  • Isaiah 53 – unlikely to relate to Jesus because –
  • 53:9 He was given a grave among the wicked, a burial place with evildoers, …..
  • [Jesus was placed in a Tomb and alone]


  • 53:10 ….***shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;*** ….
  • [This does not imply to Jesus]

  • Jonah – I was always taught at school the Jonah did not die, that was the miracle. But I have noticed in recent years many argue that Jonah was resurrected (I argued both).

  • The 3 days they have difficulty with. But argue that i) if Jonah was resurrected then there is nothing special about Jesus resurrection ii) 2:7 “While I was fainting away (fading), I remembered the LORD, And my prayer came to You …..

  • [This would imply Jonah was not dead, rather dying as you cannot pray if you are dead.]


  • Apocalypse of Peter - The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me.
Any points to respond to these arguments
 
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ZNP said:
Prior to going to Nineveh he was given the message to preach to Jerusalem to repent,
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Scripture please? Here is the message Jonah was given by God to preach to Nineveh. It was an eight word message about their destruction.

"Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrow."
 
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John146 said:
Scripture please? Here is the message Jonah was given by God to preach to Nineveh. It was an eight word message about their destruction.

"Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrow."
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The account of Jonah first preaching in Jerusalem is based on rabbinical records, not the Bible. They also say that Jonah was the boy that was the son of widow from Zarephath that died and Elijah raised.
 
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ZNP said:
The account of Jonah first preaching in Jerusalem is based on rabbinical records, not the Bible. They also say that Jonah was the boy that was the son of widow from Zarephath that died and Elijah raised.
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The place is Nineveh, not Jerusalem. I'll stick with what the bible says. Thanks.
 
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Needevidence said:
I’ve had some debates with Muslims regarding OT evidence of Jesus being resurrected. They say that the OT doesn’t say Jesus died and the NT has manipulated the OT to imply the resurrection.

Can any clear unambiguous OT passages be provided to support the resurrection (not opinions, assumptions)

Thank you!
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Debates don’t work.
Jesus said:
[Jhn 12:32 KJV] 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Paul figured it out after dealing with philosophers at Mars hill.
[1Co 2:2 KJV] 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I searched and found a series of videos on youtube where Islam is explained.
 
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I searched and found a series of videos on youtube where Islam is explained.
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The best and most concise explanation of Islam is that it is an invention of the devil meant to undermine the Gospel and the Bible. Yet is it amazing that about 1.8 billion (let's say about 2 billion) people worldwide are Muslims. They extend all the way from Africa, to the Middle East, and to Asia. They have now also entered the Western nations in hordes.
 
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rrcn said:
Debates don’t work.
Jesus said:
[Jhn 12:32 KJV] 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

Paul figured it out after dealing with philosophers at Mars hill.
[1Co 2:2 KJV] 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I searched and found a series of videos on youtube where Islam is explained.
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I enjoy debates makes me think and research hence improving my knowledge and we should be able to refute them with our own evidence and knowledge which will lead us to stronger belief and stops their confidence in believing that they have a easy ride with Christians and can convert.
 
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"...they will not be persuaded even if someone raises from the dead." -Luke 16:31

ZNP said:
That is only a sliver of the sign of Jonah. Prior to going to Nineveh he was given the message to preach to Jerusalem to repent, they repented and God relented. That is why when God sent him to Nineveh he refused. But this is like Jesus, He also preached to Israel and Jerusalem and before the gospel wen to the nations He was crucified, three days in the belly of the beast and then resurrected. Next it is a half days journey into the city and half a year later the disciples begin to preach to repent on the day of Pentecost. Jonah preached that in 40 days destruction would come and sure enough 40 years later as the disciples preached to repent Jerusalem and the temple and all the Jews were destroyed and scattered to the four winds of the earth.

But this message from Jonah to repent is for both Jews and the Nations. He preached in both Jerusalem and Nineveh.

However, the context of this word in Mattew 12:40 is that the religious leaders had made an official declaration that Jesus was casting out demons by the prince of the demons. That was what Jesus was referring to as the unforgivable sin. In the gospel of John they ask the Lord if they also were blind. Jesus said that because they said they saw their sin would remain. In the book of Jonah God forgives Nineveh because they didn't know their right hand from their left.

There are two sides to the sign of Jonah. One side are those who do know their right hand from their left like the Jewish leaders, they were judged 40 years to the day from when Jesus proclaimed they had committed the unforgivable sin and they asked for a sign that God was going to judge them and He said they would get the sign of Jonah. We know that He said this at the start of his ministry to Judea, and that was about six months before his crucifixion. I think it is very likely that this was proclaimed on the 9th of Av in 30 AD and Jesus was crucified in 31 AD. Paul talks about receiving 40 stripes less one. For 39 years the Jewish leaders were whipped. There are historical records about all the issues they had with their worship and temple from the time of Jesus' crucifixion.

But then, if the temple was destroyed 40 years to the day after this declaration. What about the nations? They were given 40 Jubilees. Now you could say 40x50 = 2000 + 30 AD will indicate that the Ezekiel 38 War begins in 2030, or you can say 40x49+1 = 1961+70AD = 2031 when Armageddon completely destroys the armies of Antichrist.

I get that a jubilee is 50 years, but the 50th year is the first year of the next series of seven sabbaths of years. 50 is the completion of grace and 40 is a full period of trial and testing. This results in the two full days that Hosea refers to. Also, from Abraham to Jesus is two thousand years, that is the time that the Jews were given so it is only fair that the Nations also get two thousand years as well to come to the full knowledge of Jesus Christ.
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Rev tells us that the antichrist rules 1290 days, the woman nourished in the wilderness 1260, and blessed is the one the makes it to 1335 days, and 1335 divides into 26.7 jubilees which calculates to be 35 years into the 26th jubilee. Jubilee isn't currently not commemorated but, to find out if a year is a jubilee, you divide the year by 7 and if it is an even number then it is a jubilee year. The year 5782 = 826 and it is now the year 5784 as of the eve of Oct 2, and the next year, 5785 divided by 50 results that there will have been 115.7 jubilees altogether. The calculations keep bringing me back to the year 2026, especially considering the results it relates to what I consider the armies of the Antichrist. Counting back 1335 years from 2026, we arrive at 691ad, the year the dome of the rock was completed, and with it, the Islamic reign of terror.
...and I don't believe it to be to an insignificantly trivial fact that 26 is the number of YHWH.
 
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Needevidence said:
I enjoy debates makes me think and research hence improving my knowledge and we should be able to refute them with our own evidence and knowledge which will lead us to stronger belief and stops their confidence in believing that they have a easy ride with Christians and can convert.
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I didn’t understand your motives, but debates still don’t work.

Before Jesus ascended into heaven he left orders for the Christian church:
[Mat 28:18-20 KJV] 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

There is a Muslim convert with a church in Nazareth who lines the bed of pickup trucks with plastic and fills it with water to baptize Muslims. He says that many of the people that he baptizes describe an experience where they are called by name.

[Act 15:8-9 KJV] 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
 
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