Why wasn't Adam "spoken" into existence?
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i was with you all the way this part I’ve never read or can back up ( not disagreeing just haven’t seen it )
“every single one will be resurrected.
mankind alone among the animals has sin;”
Agree again here
“the other living creatures have been subjected to death for our sake.”
“every single one will be resurrected.
mankind alone among the animals has sin;”
This part
“And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.”
Genesis 9:5 KJV
remember God made a covenant with the animals also in genesis
“And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.”
Genesis 1:30 KJV
and then
“And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.”
Genesis 6:12-13, 17 KJV
later he’s saying “whoever kills a man I will require his life whether it’s a man or beast “
i think it sort of proves part of your point About animals and tbier importance to God in tbat he did give the spirit of life to every beast and animal and fish and bird and fowl as well that life force within anything that lives is the spirit of life that comes from within God himself that “ breath of life “
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
the spirit of God moved
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
“All the while my breath is in me, And the spirit of God is in my nostrils;”
Job 27:3 KJV
“The Spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.”
Job 33:4 KJV
“And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.”
Genesis 7:15 KJ
“all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.”
Genesis 7:22 KJV
Under the law also animals seem to be accountable
“there shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.”
Exodus 19:13 KJV
a here’s a really good example
“If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.”
Exodus 21:32 KJV
“If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.”
Exodus 21:28
this one i realize is vulgar but it does speak of the accountability of both man and beast going all the way back to what Noah was told in his covenant after the flood
“And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:16 KJV
Also this one where of you had an oxen , which was known by you the owner to be aggressive towards people and you then let it out in use and it fires someone and kills them
“But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.”
Exodus 21:29 KJV
So I think maybe God does hold animals accountable for sin is the only thing I would disagree with
I assume your correct about the resurrection in eternity there will be animals the ot makes it clear so it’s fair I think to assume the people came from this world and so would the animals
maybe some of those innocents who were sacrificed for man but also maybe some of those Lazarus the beggar types who get abused and treated bad in this world but have better things ahead
all speculation of course not there does seem to be a level of God actually having a covenant with animals also his own creation he’s claimed in the Bible , which even holds them to some accountability for actions they take by maybe thier corrupt nature sort of like we do
there are some really bad people who do a lot of harm in society . And then also there are a lot of animals who do the same dogs who just attack people for no apparent t reason , cats who scratch people any terrorize other cats and animals but then there are those really good natured and helpful friendly animals who wouldn’t harm anyone or any animal
there’s clearly a difference in each animal I believe anyways they aren’t like man to God but they do seem important and lived and cared for by him also since they are his own creation that also was corrupted by man’s dominion and fall
“every single one will be resurrected.
mankind alone among the animals has sin;”
Agree again here
“the other living creatures have been subjected to death for our sake.”
“every single one will be resurrected.
mankind alone among the animals has sin;”
This part
“And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.”
Genesis 9:5 KJV
remember God made a covenant with the animals also in genesis
“And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.”
Genesis 1:30 KJV
and then
“And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.”
Genesis 6:12-13, 17 KJV
later he’s saying “whoever kills a man I will require his life whether it’s a man or beast “
i think it sort of proves part of your point About animals and tbier importance to God in tbat he did give the spirit of life to every beast and animal and fish and bird and fowl as well that life force within anything that lives is the spirit of life that comes from within God himself that “ breath of life “
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
the spirit of God moved
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
“All the while my breath is in me, And the spirit of God is in my nostrils;”
Job 27:3 KJV
“The Spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.”
Job 33:4 KJV
“And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.”
Genesis 7:15 KJ
“all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.”
Genesis 7:22 KJV
Under the law also animals seem to be accountable
“there shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.”
Exodus 19:13 KJV
a here’s a really good example
“If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.”
Exodus 21:32 KJV
“If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.”
Exodus 21:28
this one i realize is vulgar but it does speak of the accountability of both man and beast going all the way back to what Noah was told in his covenant after the flood
“And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:16 KJV
Also this one where of you had an oxen , which was known by you the owner to be aggressive towards people and you then let it out in use and it fires someone and kills them
“But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death.”
Exodus 21:29 KJV
So I think maybe God does hold animals accountable for sin is the only thing I would disagree with
I assume your correct about the resurrection in eternity there will be animals the ot makes it clear so it’s fair I think to assume the people came from this world and so would the animals
maybe some of those innocents who were sacrificed for man but also maybe some of those Lazarus the beggar types who get abused and treated bad in this world but have better things ahead
all speculation of course not there does seem to be a level of God actually having a covenant with animals also his own creation he’s claimed in the Bible , which even holds them to some accountability for actions they take by maybe thier corrupt nature sort of like we do
there are some really bad people who do a lot of harm in society . And then also there are a lot of animals who do the same dogs who just attack people for no apparent t reason , cats who scratch people any terrorize other cats and animals but then there are those really good natured and helpful friendly animals who wouldn’t harm anyone or any animal
there’s clearly a difference in each animal I believe anyways they aren’t like man to God but they do seem important and lived and cared for by him also since they are his own creation that also was corrupted by man’s dominion and fall
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Eh, that is not what @posthuman said. He said the opposite:
mankind alone among the animals has sin.
mankind alone among the animals has sin.
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have you ever read what he’s saying rather than interpret the single verse ?
“For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
( now he’s asking a rhetorical question )
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; ( he’s speaking from the perspective of death of the flesh is the end not the perspective from the gospel and eternal life )for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?”
Ecclesiastes 3:19-22 KJV
the “ preachers “ point is that no one knows what happens to a man’s spirit or beasts spirit when they die. Later the poetry comes to the point that
He realizes the body made of dust returns to dust as it was and tbat the spirit which comes from God returns to him and so he concludes in the finale of the literature that while we are on earth we should serve God and keep his commandments because this is mankind’s only duty and purpose and we will all be brought into judgement for every deed
That verse is t telling us a man’s spirit goes up and a beasts doesn’t it’s sayong bo one knows because it was long before the gospel was revealed offering eternal life
“For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
( now he’s asking a rhetorical question )
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; ( he’s speaking from the perspective of death of the flesh is the end not the perspective from the gospel and eternal life )for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?”
Ecclesiastes 3:19-22 KJV
the “ preachers “ point is that no one knows what happens to a man’s spirit or beasts spirit when they die. Later the poetry comes to the point that
He realizes the body made of dust returns to dust as it was and tbat the spirit which comes from God returns to him and so he concludes in the finale of the literature that while we are on earth we should serve God and keep his commandments because this is mankind’s only duty and purpose and we will all be brought into judgement for every deed
That verse is t telling us a man’s spirit goes up and a beasts doesn’t it’s sayong bo one knows because it was long before the gospel was revealed offering eternal life
Thank you for this, as it sems a more fitting verse than the Ezekiel one I originally used for this panel.
Ecclesiastes 3:18-20
Ecclesiastes 3:18-20
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It looks "flapper" style from a hundred years ago, the 1920s. In 2020 I went through a bit of a flapper phase in my designs, but I had not seen that image until last night and the background was searched out to go with... the face actually looks like Michelle Dockery, she of Downton Abby fame, and I loved that show! I watched the final (I am supposing) movie just recently and it was so well done, the whole series (six seasons, starting with the sinking of the Titanic, basically) and spin-off movies were all excellent... widely acclaimed and very well loved by many. Did you ever see it? PS I did change her eyes, and applied an overall filter to the face excluding the eyes I added.
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The ^ original face ^ had blue eyes, and was generally dark overall and quite greenish, which I only corrected minimally.
Michelle's character in the show was of the eldest daughter of three to a lord of a manor who was to
relinquish his hold of his property due to the laws of the land which did not allow women to inherit.
That drove a lot of the drama, but also ensured that she was always very well dressed LOL
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She even had ladies in waiting to dress and undress her LOL. Part of the drama, too, was the upstairs/downstairs aspect, being that the lives of the servants (downstairs) were well represented also, and it was so sweet how well they were shown to be treated and valued, and lots of the stories revolved around them. A large part of this last movie had to do with the matriarch as she was approaching death, as it was discovered she had inherited a French villa which she was bequeathing to her deceased granddaughter's daughter... inherited from a man nobody really knew much about (besides her of course, and she was not telling haha). She is played throughout by Maggie Smith, who well and truly is quite old (she will be ninety later this year and looks every minute of it though she has aged very gracefully and been in lots of movies as an acid-witted elder, even the Harry Potter movies), so it must have been a bit spooky I would think, playing her own death scene.
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This is good enough for me:
Romans 8:18-25
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently
Romans 8:18-25
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently
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