Why wasn't Adam "spoken" into existence?

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John146 said:
All living creatures have a spirit, only man has a soul.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
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this is also incorrect. the words in Genesis 3 describing Adam as a living soul are exactly the same describing every other animal. unfortunately kjv mistranslated them as living creature when not referring to the human animal, but the Hebrew is exactly the same.

all animals have spirits, have the breath of life, and are living souls. every single one will be resurrected.

mankind alone among the animals has sin; the other living creatures have been subjected to death for our sake.
 
posthuman said:
this is incorrect.
the same language of the breath of life, and living soul, is used to describe every animal - but not plants.
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No it is not incorrect. Where do you find that "every animal" is the same as Adam? Here is what the Bible says and it is always "AND GOD SAID" (which is not how Adam was actually created):
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God spoke all of creation into existence, but not Adam. And I have laid out the reasons.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
No it is not incorrect. Where do you find that "every animal" is the same as Adam? Here is what the Bible says and it is always "AND GOD SAID" (which is not how Adam was actually created):
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

God spoke all of creation into existence, but not Adam. And I have laid out the reasons.
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what is incorrect is the idea that the other animals are not living souls, and that they do not also have the Breath of Life or spirits.

the exact same phrase "nephesh chaya" in Genesis 2:7 translated as living soul is throughout Genesis 1 and 2 describing every animal. kjv is in error here saying "creature" instead of soul.

others have already pointed out where every living soul is spoken of having a spirit, and in Genesis 6-7 they are also described having the same breath of life.

yes, even butterflies

we do not know if God also breathed into their nostrils the same way. it is possible - the text is silent, and the context could be argued either way.

You are correct tho about the significance of the description of forming man by hand - excellent thread bro
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Ecclesiastes exposes the falsehoods believed by men devoid of the truth. But I will not digress to discuss that book.
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i don't think Ecclesiastes is a digression honestly: i think it is a necessary companion to the subject.

the Bible is inextricably interconnected - we can hardly talk about any passage without input from all over the rest of the text.
 
posthuman said:
what is incorrect is the idea that the other animals are not living souls, and that they do not also have the Breath of Life or spirits.
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Animals DO NOT have souls or spirits. What is stated in Ecclesiastes is completely false. "The spirit of the beast goes downwards to the earth" (Eccl 3:21) is false information but recorded in Scripture (as are any lies spoken by anyone). But you will not find any Scripture outside of that book that presents such a preposterous idea. Go to Strong's and check out "souls" and "spirits". When an animal dies, that is the end of that creature. If they had souls and spirits, would God allow animal sacrifices?
 
posthuman said:
kjv is in error here saying "creature" instead of soul.
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if this causes offense, i know to some it does, then let me say at the very lease kjv is extremely misleading here.

nephesh is soul.
E V E R Y W H E R E else kjv renders it that way except when speaking of non human animals.

that's clear translation bias.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Animals DO NOT have souls or spirits. What is stated in Ecclesiastes is completely false. "The spirit of the beast goes downwards to the earth" (Eccl 3:21) is false information but recorded in Scripture (as are any lies spoken by anyone). But you will not find any Scripture outside of that book that presents such a preposterous idea. Go to Strong's and check out "souls" and "spirits". When an animal dies, that is the end of that creature. If they had souls and spirits, would God allow animal sacrifices?
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if Christ has a soul why did He die as a sacrifice for our propitiation?
 
We are going to need Romans, too

Romans 8:20-22​
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected [it] in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.​
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every single mouse is a living soul and will be resurrected
 
Nehemiah6 said:
If they had souls and spirits, would God allow animal sacrifices?
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shedding the blood of an innocent, spotless living being with the breath of life in it was not meant to be a happy occasion.

and do not forget He made the first one, clothing Adam and Eve with its pelt, covering them with its shed blood when they confessed their sin and Adam proclaimed faith in Christ.
 
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3. Adam would be a "type" of Christ as well as the antithesis of Christ. "The first man is of the earthy, earthy. The Second Man is the Lord from Heaven" (1 Cor 15:47)

4. When Eve was created out of one rib of Adam and taken out of his side, she represented the Church, which came into existence through the blood and water of Christ crucified. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof (Gen 2:21)

5. When God presented Eve as the bride of Christ, that represented the Church as the Bride of Christ. And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (Gen 2:22)


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Adam & Eve were earthy and have an earthly inheritance. When Jesus was manifest as a man on earth He came to His people Israel as the bridegroom and they, His bride. They have an earthly inheritance. (Matt. 9: 15, 22: 1 - 10. 25: 1 - 13)

Jesus, the Son of God, the heavenly man gives His divine nature to His Body which is the New Man. They have a heavenly inheritance. And that is on the Lord`s own throne (authority) in the third heaven. (Eph. 2: 15. 4: 13. Rev. 3: 21)
 
Psalms 36:6​
Your righteousness like the great mountains; ​
Your judgments a great deep; ​
O LORD, ​
You preserve man and beast.​
 
1 Corinthians 15:44​
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.​
 
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Psalm 104:33-35
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