Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

So tell me in your own words what is so objectionable.
I believe he is in favor of banning porn for minors. Do you object to this?

That about sums it up.

He's lying. I showed you a video of him bragging about the HF working on a plan for his second term as Project 2025 was being developed by over 100 of his staffers. Of course once polls showed how unpopular it was, he tried to gaslight everyone into forgetting all of that.

You don't think politicians lie?

Lol I’m not talking about my political beliefs I just mentioned that to say I don’t think Trump will ban porn because well he’s Trump lol but I think he will implement a large portion of Project2025 he will have to do something major like this to accomplish Agenda 47.

To be clear at this point it’s no longer about politics but about not voting for the guy who wants to use violence against the people in order to implement his policies. It’s not the policy’s themselves but the fact the majority of Americans disagree with them and force will be necessary to implement the policies and that force against Americans is exactly what I disagree with.

The idea is that they will fire thousands of people in government and replace them with loyalists that will implement his policies weather our not they pass through the normal process with clear boundaries of separation of powers.

It’s a response to Trumps last term when he was stunted from doing everything he wanted because of the separation of powers.

Your welcome to deny it or choose not to do your research this is a free country. But make no mistake about history has shown that these nationalists movements turn on the very people that voted them in once in power.

Of course they do. But he laid out his proposals separately from 2025. Also, I told you it was a pretty normal conservative document. I also asked you what you found to be objectionable about it. Care to share? We'll see how accurate you are in describing it or whether you are simply posting liberal talking points.

Sure. I don't agree with:

Eliminating the Dept. of Education

Eliminating Head Start

Deploying the military as domestic law enforcement

Reducing LGBTQs to second class citizen status

Pretending climate change isn't real

Eliminating the Dept of Homeland Security

Gutting the EPA

Turning states against states over immigration raids

Putting migrants into camps

Firing civil servants en masse and replacing them with Trump loyalists

Putting the DoJ under Presidential control

Allowing child labor

I have researched. And I asked you some questions. You deflected.
Are you for children being exposed to porn?
Are you for allowing protesters destroying property and harming and killing law abiding citizens?
How would you stop large protests that begin to destroy and loot private property and hurt and kill people?

History shows a lot of things which people ignore and then repeat them again.
If you want to get a handle on these nationalist movements, then maybe start getting a handle on enforced language where society is forced to call a man in a dress ... a woman. So again, every action has a reaction.

What did we learn from WW1? We learned that a guy near Bosnia shot an Austrian prince and because all European countries were lock in permanent no-conditions alliances, a war started which left Germany with a bruised national image and no food.
Then because of this, one man took advantage of the time and place and started WW2, and the aftermath of that led to two countries in an ideological battle who couldn't be fought with nuclear weapons.
It also led with unconditional support of Israel, you know the very thing empires had in common before WW1.

So when they look at our history in 100 years they'll say:
-Oh look this whole thing started because they wanted men in dresses to be called zebras. That's why it started.

So, zoom out if you're able.

This is why people on the left and right cannot find common ground presently, they harp on their own talking points and everything is extreme!

ZOOOOOMING out would help A LOT!

The BLM protest that Trump wanted to use the military against in his lady term was peaceful. He was not Abel to do it because the people that would implement his orders would not do it, because it’s against are laws and constitution. They will assert a faulty legal argument and the Current Christian nationalists Supreme Court will uphold it.

im not going bit the bait and talk to you about policies when at this point we have proof that a future Trump administration is planning to use force in order to implement the will of the minority over the will of the Majority.

the US government would no longer be a
constitutional republic we would be a Authoritarian theocracy.


It’s not about stopping property damage the national guard can be called in those states. It’s about separation of power. The president should not be in charge of calling force against the people that should be done on the state level. It’s set up that way because our founding fathers wanted to avoid the Authoritarian government they were breaking away from.

That would be forced speech and I’m not aware of the democrats running to force people to say magic words.

Please prove me wrong and provide proof for this claim.

So you're for all the Jan 6ers that were jailed for protesting right? RIGHT???? On top of that you're for Kamala's communist policy's and think these policies go had and had with our freedom? Again, are you being paid to come shout this stuff?

I should have been a little more specific, I am specifically talking about the "summer of love". People can of course protest, that's our right. However if the cities start burning AGAIN like they did last time, sent in the National Guard. We have to protect the citizens property. I'm only going on very recent history. If you do bad things, left right or center, you face justice. You get that? You understand yet? I doubt it because your a leftist and not a real person, but anyone with a working brain gets what I'm saying.

Okay, so in Canada they tried to do the forced speech legally and Jordan Peterson shot it down.
Right now, this is not coming down from the government in USA but it's coming from the society in the form or culture wars and cancel-wars.
This is also why you have Elon Musk trying to counter the culture wars by buying Twitter and removing the left bias.

This is exactly how other wars start in other times in history. There's a social turbulence which is triggered by an event such as an assassination.
So again try to zoom out a little since you mentioned history.

Wow you have got to be blind and completely disconnected from reality to believe anything you just typed. We can't have a conversation when you refuse to accept reality.
"The BLM protest that Trump wanted to use the military against in his lady term was peaceful."
The peacefully burning buildings and murdered people? The "peaceful protest"? Your still this uninformed and brainwashed? I'm done trying to talk to blind people who are part of this stupid cult. There's no point.
You act like these rabid leftist communist aren't religious and aren't trying to set up their own theocracy that makes "God Government". Stop acting like your side isn't doing the same thing, only with no morals or good God to guide them. Projection-the democrat cults way.

At least now we are getting somewhere. You love big, controlling, centralized government. I don't. The farther government from the people, the less answerable to the people they will be. But let's look at some of the specifics you mentioned:
Eliminating the Department of Education...federal government control of education has been an abysmal failure. Putting the states back in charge will improve education by spending money more wisely and providing better education through choice. Head Start and other programs can be kept or halted based on whether they promote local education goals or not.
Deploying military for law enforcement...how would you deal with large groups of protesters who begin looting and destroying businesses and hurting and killing citizens? Should we continue to allow cities to burn and law breakers to offend with impunity? Should we sit by while feckless leaders allow crime and do nothing or support VP's who bail criminals out of jail? Didn't we try this already?
Reducing LGBTQ to second class...nothing in Project 2025 does this. This is propaganda. Trump, if anything, supports equal treatment of this community. Do some research.
Denying climate change...more propaganda. Conservatives aren't against looking into climate change. They simply don't believe destroying the economy is the way to go; especially since a good bit of the data is suspect. Climate alarmism is what is being questioned. Again, do some research.
Eliminating the Dept of HS...this department was added after 911. Supposedly, the goal was to coordinate the exchange of information from agency to agency. This hasn't happened...ie Trump assassination attempt. Also, there have been abuses where Americans have been spied on...ie Trump campaign. It can go. Agencies are run better when they are held directly responsible to congressional oversize.
Gutting the EPA...another government agency that has unelected officials implementing rules that Congress didn't approve and are unanswerable to the people. Good in theory, but has been detrimental in practice. Should be gutted and further restricted.
Immigration raids...why should some states not administer federal laws for immigration? Do you support lawlessness? Should we ignore federal laws like is being done now? Is this not the real cause of the division?
Putting migrants into camps...how would deal with illegal immigrants? Maybe you could start by calling them what they actually are...illegals. Conservatives see the need for legal immigration, but allowing millions of unvetted individuals into the country is a recipe for disaster on a number of levels.
Firing civil servants...should be done on a case by case basis based on performance. I do find it interesting that you have no problem with over 90% of them being Democrats. Do you believe it should be equal? What if over 90% were Republicans? Would that make a difference to you?
Putting the DOJ under executive control...it already is. This let's me know that you are merely putting forth liberal talking points. Just a little bit of research would have revealed this to you.
Allowing child labor...more propaganda. No conservative is for child labor. You stopped even trying to be convincing.

You're a liberal. Just own it. You are for killing babies and policies that pervert the law of God and harm people. You choose to allow some to act illegally and care less about those who simply want to protect themselves and their property.

I’m talking about the protest in Washington. The one wear Trump came out and held up a Upside down Bible.

He had the protesters removed that west on church property with permission.

I’m saying that the governors should be the only ones to request the national guard in order to maintain the separations of power.

That’s fine and not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about Trump siring the US military and Amatican soil. Something we have been going out of our way to avoid since the civil war.

Should be crystal clear I’m not talking about politics and policy. I’m talking about the specific act of using the United States military on domestic soil against US citizens.

Our founding fathers damaged property Rebelling against a athourtian government that implemented policies against the will of the majority

So you won't answer questions but will sling liberal talking points. There is nothing wrong with using the National Guard to supplement local law enforcement if it is necessary.

I 100% agree with you. Please fallow me here I’m not taking about the National guard OK?

I’m talking about the United States military with full-time active members unlike the National Guard, who have full time jobs and are on call for national emergency’s.

do you understand me now?

I understand your fears about use of the military are unfounded and without basis. Trump has never done so nor has he done anything to suggest he would.

I provided a video proving my claim, at this point you are choosing to be willfully ignorant to the truth.

We don’t have to agree or have the same opinions in order to talk about reality.

When someone refuses to address reality and talk openly about it then they have ended the discussion.

I can’t force you to have a conversation you don’t wish to.

Have a nice week.