What Changed?

He may not be forgetting so much as he desires to subvert the truth of Scripture with his vain imagination. See also Isaiah 40:13-14 🙂

As God called John the Baptist to do.

Isa 40:13-14
13 Who has understood the mind of the LORD,
or instructed him as his counselor?
14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge
or showed him the path of understanding?
NIV

According to PT, it would have to be the wandering spirits of wanna-be zygotes!

That will not save you.

You need to have the baptism of God.. Johns baptism represented what God would do after the death of Christ to everyone who believed

Why are you trying to be divisive? You aren't even representing what I said honestly.

Being divisive?



You said Johns baptism. so you mean water baptism do you not?



If you did not mean water baptism, then forgive me, if you did. then I ask again, does water baptism replace spirit baptism?

I feel like you have an agenda rather than honest questions. I was laying out a missing piece for those who want it. If you feel that I have something that you personally need to understand for your own spiritual paradigm, you can ask and I may answer to the best of my ability though I don’t owe it to you. I’m not interested in getting into doctrinal disagreements and I won't pretend to have the full understanding of God.

Off the top of my head, here are some general guidelines for avoiding divisiveness:

• If you have questions, ask. It is generally better to ask questions than to make statements. ‘Question’ means there is something you personally need to know to weigh things for your own understanding, or for mere clarity of communication. Rhetorical questions may also have a place if asked according to the following.
• If you believe you have insight and the person might receive it, respectfully share. If they won’t, you probably aren’t called to them and you should stay out of God's way.
• If you believe differently on an issue with a possibly interested person, then you can lay it out, but respectfully and respecting that others have their own relationship and journey with God. Always remember that He is the teacher, though He uses humans at times as He directs.
• If you can’t speak in accordance with the above, or you can't let go of the person’s response of accepting your proposed understanding or not, chances are you aren't sharing from the right place.

If your questions about baptism are genuine, perhaps you should have a personal Bible study on the topic with God, asking Him your questions instead of just people on the internet. Then if He wants to use us here, I'm sure He will find a way.

Practically speaking, Tecarta makes a good Bible search app. Biblegateway and BibleHub are some of my favorite Bible websites, though even something general like Google has its place. And a good real-workd Bible study tool like Strong's Concordance can be useful as well.

there is only one baptism (eph 4:5) that matters,

Perhaps you can read the Bible and figure it out. Then again, given your atrocious departures from what is actually
written, and shameless denials of what is plainly stated in favour of your unfounded opinions, perhaps not.

The problem most Christians have is their fear of uncertainty and their need is to unfigure out so many things they have assumed or figured out usong too mamy logical fallacies.

1. My question was genuine. I asked you which baptism you spoke about
2. You evidently did not like my answer. So instead of trying to discuss it. You are saying I am decisive.

I am lost as to why you do not want to discuss this. Is there a reason?

there is only one baptism (eph 4:5) that matters, I would hope you myself and everyone else would want to get that baptism right. And not fall into a trap of having faiht in the wrong baptism.

I am free to discuss, are you?

If you really want to understand why ask me and not God? His understanding is far above mine, I am sure.

Do you have any dressing to go with that word salad?

What Changed?
Assuming that you are a child of God, What was the event that resulted in this change?
All people are conceived in sin and are born children of wrath, unfit for any saving good, inclined to evil, dead in their sins, and slaves to sin; without the grace of the regenerating Holy Spirit they are neither willing nor able to return to God, to reform their distorted nature, or even to dispose themselves to such reform.

Something had to change
Did you overcome this condition in your own strength, or were you drawn to Christ by the power of the Spirit? If you were drawn, were you able to resist being drawn?

When I was 16, God drew me to himself 65 years ago this summer using a preacher's messages and my own research into the Bible that God used through the Holy Spirit to convince me that Jesus' resurrection was a historical event and that the Bible, therefore, is true.

1. My question was genuine. I asked you which baptism you spoke about
2. You evidently did not like my answer. So instead of trying to discuss it. You are saying I am decisive.

I am lost as to why you do not want to discuss this. Is there a reason?

there is only one baptism (eph 4:5) that matters, I would hope you myself and everyone else would want to get that baptism right. And not fall into a trap of having faiht in the wrong baptism.

I am free to discuss, are you?

Perhaps you can read the Bible and figure it out. Then again, given your atrocious departures from what is actually
written, and shameless denials of what is plainly stated in favour of your unfounded opinions, perhaps not.

Water baptism is merely a physical, visible symbol of the spiritual reality of the new birth. Spiritual birth is always spoken of in terms of being "born of God" -- not of water in the sense of baptism but of the water of the Word (Jn 1:13; 1Jn 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18).

Heb. 6:2 of the doctrine of baptisms, and of the laying on of hands, and of resurrectionof the dead and of aeonous judgment.

What are these "baptisms" (plural) ?

Of the several baptisms, which baptism IYO is the ONE BAPTISM that is referred to Eph. 4:5, and why?

It would the one performed by God himselg would it not

Can your pastor baptize you into Christ?

Can your pastor baptize you in the circumcisions done not by the hand of God?