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Nufan

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Why would I run for something I already possess? I'm at rest. I'd like you to know that same rest.
I have a commission of God to share this good news. If I saw someone walking precariously close to the edge of a cliff I would warn him. I would probably even put myself at risk to help that person. God is near to you right now. He may not always be. I would like to introduce you to Him in a way you have yet to experience. But that's up to you.
Jesus says wake up and pray. The hour is at hand.
 

Lynx

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Yeah, your Presbyterian friend has to rachet it down a bit.
Nah. I just used that because Nufan used Presbyterian.

Actually my grandmother on my mother's side was Cumberland Presbyterian. I never heard ANY of them arguing with anyone about doctrine or theology or anything, ever.
 

Cameron143

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Why are you so concerned? Do you still question your own salvation? What if I told you that this isn't up to you. That you can't be saved unless god makes a way for you to be saved. You knowing weather your saved or not makes no difference in the end.
I do not question my salvation in the least. I'm fully persuaded of God's love for me. I care because the love of God has been shed abroad in my heart and He has let our paths cross. You seem to be seeking after God. This is not what someone does apart from the drawing of God. I see Him at work so I prayed and asked Him if He wanted me to work too.
 

Nufan

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Nah. I just used that because Nufan used Presbyterian.

Actually my grandmother on my mother's side was Cumberland Presbyterian. I never heard ANY of them arguing with anyone about doctrine or theology or anything, ever.
They must not of been OPC then. Im just kidding but only a little.
 

Nufan

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I do not question my salvation in the least. I'm fully persuaded of God's love for me. I care because the love of God has been shed abroad in my heart and He has let our paths cross. You seem to be seeking after God. This is not what someone does apart from the drawing of God. I see Him at work so I prayed and asked Him if He wanted me to work too.
Ok then we shall no longer be concerned with salvation then. Keep running the race untill you die. You know death is the finish line after all.
 

Cameron143

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Ok then we shall no longer be concerned with salvation then. Keep running the race untill you die. You know death is the finish line after all.
Death is just another beginning.
 

Nufan

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Nah. I just used that because Nufan used Presbyterian.

Actually my grandmother on my mother's side was Cumberland Presbyterian. I never heard ANY of them arguing with anyone about doctrine or theology or anything, ever.
Also they are CPC so they hold Armenian belifs and not reformed. So thats a poor example for reformed presbyterians. Who happen to be the majority of believers.
 

Nufan

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Nah. I just used that because Nufan used Presbyterian.

Actually my grandmother on my mother's side was Cumberland Presbyterian. I never heard ANY of them arguing with anyone about doctrine or theology or anything, ever.
Also again im not speaking about the sheep seeking god, Im speaking about the institution and the ones who represent the institution. I dont think im going over this again. An institution wants you to be invested in their institution, and will teach its members to be bias towards its competitors. Its business. This is where the advisory has come in to sow hate and division amongst its own brothers and sisters. Im sure their not supportive of Catholic, eastern orthidox, Luthran, bescause the idea behind presbyterianism is to rebell towards tradition and to become as far removed from catholicism as possible.
 

Lynx

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Also they are CPC so they hold Armenian belifs and not reformed. So thats a poor example for reformed presbyterians. Who happen to be the majority of believers.
The majority in Tennessee? Cuz that's where I live.

In fact I don't know many in Tennessee who argue a lot about religion from almost any church. CoC is the exception, and everybody else agrees we should avoid conversations with them because they always turn conversations into arguments... At least MOST of them, at least here in Tennessee.

CoC kind of stick out here, specifically because of their rather confrontational approach to any discussion. Except for that guy at my job.
 

Magenta

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Im not christian or making any claim about god. This is a christian problem not my problem.
No, it is not a Christan problem. It is your opinion. And, when you say things like: The unfortunate truth is that a lot of
times I am embarrassed to call myself a Christian or to say that I'm a follower Christ,
you certainly muddy the waters.
 

Magenta

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Would you like to continue judging and speaking poorly of me. I suppose you know god too.
All you are doing is speaking poorly of others. But you can't handle having it pointed out to you?
 

Nufan

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The majority in Tennessee? Cuz that's where I live.

In fact I don't know many in Tennessee who argue a lot about religion from almost any church. CoC is the exception, and everybody else agrees we should avoid conversations with them because they always turn conversations into arguments... At least MOST of them, at least here in Tennessee.

CoC kind of stick out here, specifically because of their rather confrontational approach to any discussion. Except for that guy at my job.
Again im not talking about the sheep seeking god. Im speaking about the institution. Try having a conversation with a reformed Presbyterian about what they believe. They believe we don't have a choice weather we are damned or saved, and god did not choose based on our choice. Free will is not real because god has pre destined and pre selected everything in advance. We all deserve hell and god is Sovereign. We can only be saved by gods grace which is offered to only the chosen elect. Therefor god will pull from the same lump using some for glory and others for destruction. They will argue non stop when it comes to the TULIP doctrine. They have killed each other and started wars over this doctrine. Protistants split in 5 different camps over this doctrine. But guess what, they are all still our brothers and sisters and should be loved supported and encouraged. Unfortunately religious institutions dont operate like this.
 

Magenta

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They have killed each other and started wars over this doctrine.
Atheists have killed multiple millions of people over ideologies also.
I can but I haven't spoken poorly of anyone here. You have towards me.
There's pages and pages of you going on about how poorly Christians behave.

Well, I know what a hypocrite you are, at least.
 

Nufan

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Atheists have killed multiple millions of people over ideologies also.

There's pages and pages of you going on about how poorly Christians behave.

Well, I know what a hypocrite you are, at least.
I have spoken poorly about christianity and its institutions but I have not singled out anyone and spoke poorly about them. I have been respectful. Also im not athiest. Lastly christians should not be compering themselves with Athiest. Christians should not be held to the worlds standards. Christians should be so much better then that. Or at least thats what they claim. Unfortunately this isn't true. I have only spoken the truth.
 

Magenta

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I have spoken poorly about christianity and its institutions but I have not singled out anyone and spoke poorly about them. I have been respectful. Also im not athiest. Lastly christians should not be compering themselves with Athiest. Christians should not be held to the worlds standards. Christians should be so much better then that. Or at least thats what they claim. Unfortunately this isn't true. I have only spoken the truth.
Christians are the ones who know what sinners they are. It is unbelievers who want to hold us to a high
standard and point out our failures ad nauseum just like you are doing while you pretend you are not.
Unbelievers are often the last ones to see what hypocrites they are while they are busy pointing fingers.
 

Nufan

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Christians are the ones who know how what sinners they are. It is unbelievers who want to hold us to a high
standard and point out our failures ad nauseum just like you are doing while you pretend you are not.
They are often the last ones to see what hypocrites they are while they are busy pointing fingers.
No, the problem is that you call yourself a Christian and a follower of Christ, yet you're the first one to insult me, you're the first 1 on this form and discussion that has said, anything rude or been disrespectful. You're the first one congrats.
 

Magenta

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No, the problem is that you call yourself a Christian and a follower of Christ, yet you're the first one to insult me, you're
the first 1 on this form and discussion that has said, anything rude or been disrespectful. You're the first one congrats.
Your hypocrisy is typically stunning.
 

Nufan

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No, the problem is that you call yourself a Christian and a follower of Christ, yet you're the first one to insult me, you're the first 1 on this form and discussion that has said, anything rude or been disrespectful. You're the first one congrats.
I don't believe it's rude or disrespectful to hold Christianity accountable and call them out. That is not pertaining to any specific individual, that is not even pertaining to Christians in general. I'm specifically calling out the institution and revealing what it truly is. The Christian institutions follow the devil. As a folliwer of christ what im doing is praised. This was Jesus main ministry.
 

Magenta

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I don't believe it's rude or disrespectful to hold Christianity accountable and call them out.
I don't believe I was rude or disrespectful to call you out.

See how that works? But I shall leave you to your "issues" as you have called them. Good luck.

Remember, it's an inside job. Stop looking outward so much. You will get better results.