Total Depravity

Probably because sin comes to life whenever a person reached the age of accountabiity and devils use the child's culture's laws to encourage and deceive the child into sin nd death. In every case, sin came ,alive again.

Not saying I disagree or anything here:

Paul said when there is no Law that sin does not count as sin.
13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.

So are you saying the Law exists "now" and that sin counts as sin?

We know in the time of Noah the world was wicked and God destroyed them. But Paul is saying during that time because there was "no Law" that sin was not counted as sin. So for sin to count as sin there must be the Law.

So are you saying the Law exists "now" and that sin counts as sin?

Again, Paul's point in establishing that no sin is accrued when there is no law in place was to show that no one should have died from Adam to Moses because there was no law. But people were in fact dying. How could this be if there was no law to accrue sin? And his explanation is that those who died did so because God placed Adam's transgression on their accounts.
Also, and again, unsaved individuals are under the law. They will be judged according to it. Those in Christ are no longer under condemnation. The law is powerless to bring judgment upon them. The law only affects those subject to it.

The view you posited and believe never addresses the concerns in the original post you responded to.

Actually, Paul's point is that sin brought death. And even though sin was not counted as sin death was still counted as death.
Which could be what you said but in different terms.

Does the Law exist today?

I copied this from the post I posted:

This separation, as described in the Bible, remained unbridged until the arrival of Jesus, referred to as the Son of Man, was born of a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit, and thus, was not subject to the inherited sinful nature passed down from Adam. As the second Adam, Christ came from heaven and lived a sinless life, which qualified Him as the only perfect sacrifice. His purpose was to restore the broken relationship between humanity and God. Through faith in Jesus, individuals can experience a spiritual rebirth, becoming 'born again,' and reestablish their connection with God.

I have no problem with anything stated here, but this isn't the post I was referring to, but another you posted.

Ok....could you do me a favor and copy it and post it for me so I can see what you are talking about. I am new here and it's hard for me to navigate through all the posts.

Total depravity... the first point that calvanists believe.

Please prove from the word the difference and which is correct,
Between....
We are born without sin, sinless.

We are born with sinful tendency but not sin.

We are born as one that has already sinned.

However, it is important to clarify that an infant, having not yet made any personal choices, cannot be held accountable for personal sin. It would be strange to me if anyone tried to refute this. However, they are considered to have inherited the sinful nature, which is beyond their control. No human, except for Christ, has ever lived without sin. Inevitably, the infant will grow up and commit sins, as it is in human nature.

you sure about that?

Those who bring babies into the equation just seem to be trying to emotionally manipulate others. God says flesh is like grass. Why do we want to make of ourselves more than that? It is the same problem Adam and Eve had: pride of life. Should any be wished good luck trying to manipulate God? No, I think not. I trust He is good. What He does with babies is just regardless of what it is.


Isaiah 40:6B-8

Sorry if I offended you.....I was just answering a post. I thought I was anyway.
SIsaiah 40

Cain and Abel were expressing thankfulness to God. Abel did this by freely offering of the firstfruits of their produce and his offering was pleasing to God. The Bible does not say that sin had yet entered Abel. Cain was not as thankful and gave a delayed offering of his later crop.. God was not pleased with Cain's imperfect offering.

In Hebrews 11:4 we read by faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.

In Romans 10:17 we read faith by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

In order for Abel to have brought his offering "by faith", there must have been a "word of God" he had "heard" ... even though Scripture is silent on what he heard.

Cain's offering was not accepted by God because Cain did not bring his offering "by faith".

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We are born with sinful tendency but not sin.
We are born as one that has already sinned.

This may seem strange but to address the question, I would combine the two points above.

I believe that we are all born sinners in the sense that we inherit a sinful nature due to Adam and Eve’s disobedience in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3). This is known as the doctrine of Original Sin.

Psalm 51:5 states, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Romans 5:12-21 explains, “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.”

However, it is important to clarify that an infant, having not yet made any personal choices, cannot be held accountable for personal sin. It would be strange to me if anyone tried to refute this. However, they are considered to have inherited the sinful nature, which is beyond their control. No human, except for Christ, has ever lived without sin. Inevitably, the infant will grow up and commit sins, as it is in human nature.

Is there a scripture that says that we are all born with a sin nature?

Is there a scripture that says we are all born with sinful tendencies?

Is there a scripture that says that we are all born with a sin nature?
Is there a scripture that says we are all born with sinful tendencies?

Do you agree with me that it is not required that one have a specific command to do X in order to do X by daith? For instance, if I believe God is kind and good and all the good I have is through Him, I can devise my own way to express that faith, without God beforehand prescribing how I must do so.