Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

You haven't really defined "free" either. What do you mean when you say that man's will is "free"? That the will is autonomous? Or that a will cannot be free unless it has the power to make opposing moral choices -- to choose between good or evil, for example?

Or could the will be something far more profound than that? God is a free moral agent, yet his will is severely restricted morally. How is this so, you might ask? Answer: I posit that God's will is perfectly free FROM evil, corruption and darkness since His nature is holy, righteous, good and light; therefore, His will is perfectly free TO always make moral choices that accord just as perfectly with his nature; and this is why he cannot lie, cannot deny himself, cannot be tempted, etc.

Sadly, the inverse is true of fallen man. While man is also a free moral agent, his will is imperfect in every respect since he is free FROM holiness, righteousness and goodness ; for man's nature is evil, profane and darkness itself; therefore, his will is free TO only make moral choices that accord with his evil nature, and this is the reason why man cannot not sin. He cannot not sin because his will is in bondage to his sin nature. For any free moral agent to be truly free in the biblical sense, he must be exactly like God, i.e. free FROM free Evil so that he is free to do Good always. Any man in Adam, therefore, is a type of God by contrast just as Adam himself is type of Christ by contrast.

My biblical proof for my premise is threefold. First, in eternity God's glorified saints will be totally free from the presence of sin from within and without, which will make all his saints perfectly free to love and obey and glorify God forever and ever. Yet, are we to suppose that we'll become something less than free moral agents, unlike our Creator and Redeemer? Will we become programmed robots because we've been set from evil and won't be able to sin?

Secondly, an important question must be asked about Truth: What did Jesus mean when he said, "...and the truth shall set you free" (Jn 8:32)? Free from and/or to do what?

Thirdly, a very similar question must be asked about what Jesus said about himself: "If the Son shall set you free, you shall be free indeed" (Jn 8:36). Again, the Son sets his disciples free from and/or to do what?

For me the answer is simple and as plain as day: The Truth and the Son (just like God and Moses with he ancient Hebrews in Egypt)
both set their people free FROM bondage so that they and we would be truly free TO worship God in Spirit and in Truth. We shouldn't forget that when the Hebrews were enslaved to Pharaoh for 400+ years they basically became just like the king's own people (seed): pagan idol worshipers.

In conclusion: TRUE spiritual/moral freedom or liberty consists of freedom from all evil, from within and without, which is the only way we can be free to always make holy, righteous and good choices in our thoughts, words and deeds. Anything less than what I have just said is not freedom in the biblical and spiritual sense. In fact, anything less amounts to bondage!

When I am being led by someone, my attention is constantly attracted to things around me, and I need to keep choosing to follow the person leading me.

What "free" means in "free will" depends on what "will" means. Only after defining "will" is it possible to define what a "free will" is.

What is your working definition of "the will" as it is used in scripture?

How prophetic of you <g>. If we could choose under our own steam (power), then why is it necessary for the Father to draw his elect to his Son?

Then how do sheep get lost?

So let me ask you, you get up go out and start your car, but the battery is dead. What do you do?

Really short attention span, heh? How long have you been suffering from ADD?

That's actually a very good spiritual insight. There is a lot of truth in that. But by the same token, where would any of the elect be if it weren't for God's free gift of grace and faith?

Then you aren't in the Spirit. You are walking by sight.

But whose faith is it? From whence come Paul's faith? Could it possibly be the gift of faith that is freely gifted to God's elect and that comes through Christ?

Exactly right!? Whether he lived or died was not his choice to make in the first place!

And I suspect that might have something to do with the new heart God promised to give to his New Covenant people! A new heart would necessarily entail renewed minds, emotions, wills and consciences -- all of which would make us His new creation.

So, you don't know what "will" means? But you did think you knew what "free" means? Isn't the "will" the faculty that is instrumental in making choices, decisions?

They take their eyes off the Shepherd and stop listening to His voice. They go their own way.

But the resurrection doesn't occur until the END of the age. The millennium is not the end! It's 1,000 years before all things are restored (new heavens, new earth, new bodies, etc.)

But he didn't say to forgive each and every one of them! Furthermore, the early chapters of Acts proves that the Father heard Jesus'[ prayer since thousands of JEWS came to believe on their Messiah after Pentecost arrived. But thousands are not all the Jews!

Also, the reason that Jesus didn't pray for the world is because his kingdom is not OF this world. But Satan's kingdom is!

Besides your reply being a non sequitur to what I posted, you are absolutely wrong about Jesus not coming as God incarnate at his first advent. How could he unequivocally have claimed to be the Son of God, and the Father himself refer to him as his Son in whom he is well pleased, if Jesus had parked his divinity in God only knows where? Or do you think that Jesus was just God's adopted Son...like any of God's saints?

Yes, in the New Jerusalem (Eternity), everything will be perfect. This will transpire after the First Resurrection and after the 1,000-year Millennium and after the Great White Throne Judgment.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away." Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

- Revelation 21:1-7
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"Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. "My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

- Ezekiel 37:26-27

Mr. Studier, since, due to the temporary shut down and the likely demise of innocent posts, I'm not able to pick up from our last contact.

You did ask me specifically, however, to clarify a statement I made about A&E regarding their spiritual status after the Fall. As I recall I returned a short reply, confirming what you suspected: God saved Eve and passed over Adam. If you're of the mind, you can read my main 15-pt argument in my 3044 and then I made an addendum later in 3567, which lists various in which Adam is a type of Satan. Also, as an aside, Eve is a type of the Bride of Christ and you can find that argument easily enough online if so disposed.

And your point to Rev 21 is???