Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

Thanks for the discussion. Blessings.

That is exactly what I believe - that God does it all - which makes Jesus the Saviour, not me, and how it occurs to all of His elect.
Jesus did everything necessary for that to happen to me. I contributed nothing whatsoever, but to be its beneficiary.

Why does "nearly all possess hearing physically" imply that there must be a spiritual hearing being spoken of? And not everyone has it.

"Everyone who has boarding tickets to board flight NZ 3631, let them board now at gate 7'" Obviously, there are those who have boarding passes for flight NZ 3631 who do not board. Since nearly all people in the Gate 7 waiting area have boarding passes to flight NZ 3631, the announcer must be speaking of spiritual boarding passes.

No. she's talking about physical boarding passes, saying "If you have them, use them now." There are no spiritual boarding passes.

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But that's only a HALF-TRUTH, which actually makes it a falsehood!. It takes more than the Gospel to be "persuaded". God's people are brought forth by the Spirit and the Word -- and I would even dare to be so bold to declare it's in this precise order.

And You still need to explain how man with his evil nature can make good choices. You do understand what "evil" is, right? (Rhetorical question as you probably don't.) Evil is the absence of Good, just like darkness is the absence of light. So...let me rephrase my question: How can the God-hating, NON-good make good, spiritual choices, such as to repent and believe the gospel? What you just stated above implies that you guys have the power to change your essence (nature) -- which again, not even God himself can change his own! But you "leopards" can certainly change your "spots" into stripes, can't you?

And this gal JoAnne appears to be spiritually clueless. God's grace is his to give, according to the counsel of his own perfect will. He is free to sovereignly give to people what they don't deserve. And the ones to which he doesn't bestow his grace are not denied anything. They get what they deserve: JUSTICE! How can a just God not be fair in giving people what they rightly deserve?

You NR folks have a very perverted, lopsided view of God's justice -- and his love for that matter.

So...by the same token, the passage doesn't say the Spirit came AFTER they heard, does it? How 'bout this 'novel" idea" They believed at the point of their new birth?

Because we have the same emotions as God, we are made in His Image and Likeness. I've never had a successful relationship with someone who was forced to be my friend. God wants true worship. People who want God offer up the greatest praise to God over someone who was forced to do it. Look at the kids raised in Church, They are the ones closing the bars every night. Forcing people get you nowhere but resentment and rebellion.

Chuckle!!! He died for the Unjust/Nonelect/Unsaved whose names were not written in The Book of Life - YET?

What does Calvinique mean? How do you now you aren't Calvinique in your views on irresistible grace.

But the physically dead cannot hear, can they? Oh wait...there were people who Jesus resurrected? So...maybe the physically dead can hear just the way they did when they were alive?

Shucks, you give me so much credit. So, what? What are you attempting to setting me straight on again? That I only expressed it one way and not all the possible ways? But I'm only feigning ignorance here of your objection to my qualification to practice surgery. It doesn't mean I don't know what's involved. However, your position is that God's plan was to have you, and only you, circumcised (when that idea concerning Israel was left at the cross, there a new sign of the covenant between God and all men) which diverges from my position that God's plan is to have all man's (not excluding women) heart circumcised and so established the practice, being more than adequately qualified, and put out His "open" sign.

They are Paul's congregation so he preached and witnessed to them. They heard and believed.
Yes, when they "become" saved. But no one becomes saved until they hear the Gospel. You don't walk out of a bar and become saved. You hear the Gospel and become saved.

It says while they heard the Holy Spirit fell upon them.

Good. Then spiritual life precedes birth.

And your point is???? Are you saying that they could have responded positively apart from the Holy Spirit falling upon them at the same time they were "hearing"?

How can me yielding to God, rather than rejecting God, not still be about God did everything in my own salvation?
In other words, God says in Spirit I want to be Lord over your life and give you salvation. And you just yield to God and He does everything. How is that me contributing anything? I'm just yielding instead of resisting.

Sounds good to me

But it's God who makes relationships with helpless people. How can you characterize God as a forceful tyrant when he actually rescues helpless, powerless people? After all...that's exactly what he did in the Exodus.

Just pointing out how the Bible explains it happened. As they heard the Holy Spirit fell upon them.

They became saved, and from/by that, they believed - it came as a result, not as a cause They could not truly hear (have spiritual discernment of) the gospel until they were saved because they didn't have the Holy Spirit until they were saved/born again, and without the Holy Spirit, to hear spiritually is impossible.

[1Co 2:12 KJV] 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.