Pentecost

YET the Apostles did not preach the Gospel until they were empowered by the Holy Spirit Acts chapter 2

Jesus told them to wait UNTIL you have received Power from on high Luke chapter 24.
The gospel was not preached until they heard the great commotion which they were told "this is that which was spoken by the Prophets Joel. "

First off, tongues not only in the Charismatic Pentecostal movements.

lol

FYI, the word of God should show you what is right and what is not. LOL.

I am neither Charismatic or Pentecostal. I have a very conservative background

I have the gift of tongues.



Consider your own attitude and then get back to me. (not actually an invitation)



Since your premise of exclusivity regarding the gift of tongues as being solely the propriership of Pentecostals and Charismatics, it is only logical to assume your assessment of the gift is also wrong.

Today it is to see, that the pentecostal and charismatic teachings influence nearly all denominations, even the rcc. So today you must not belong to this movements.
In germany there is an Definition for pentecostal or charismatic, which include all people who are member of this movements or who practise their teaching.
From this Definition you are an charismatic.

I have never said, that all gifts of the Holy Spirit has stopped for today!!!

The Movements were called as such because the words are in the Bible. Charismatics comes from the Greek word for Gifts. Pentacostel comes from the event that happened in Acts chapter two.

No, these events are not only in what is known as Charismatics FYI, before they were called "Charismatics.

They were known as Anglican, Presbyterian, and Methodist. Lutheran and Baptist. The reason why they were called Charismatic movements was because the gifts were showing up in these Churches.

FYI, many Catholics experienced this and left the RCC to serve the Lord Jesus Christ. If you did not know this, YOU lack much in history and in discerning what is a Move of God.

this is the dude who states only Charasmatics and Pentecostals have the gift of tongues but when you rightly inform him that is not at all true, he comes back with those Charasmatics and Pentecostals have influenced nearly all denominations

Sounds like someone who will say water is dry if you say it is wet

No, i speak from germany. And from the year 1987 till today. And its an obvious fact.

Lol I’m leaving out context by pointing out the gospel is what Jesus came into the world to preach and sent his apostles to preach and not only his death and resurrection ?

I’m saying the gospel is found here

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I’m saying Jesus the lord preached it first in Israel then he told them

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And then he told them this

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then after he died and rose in the gospel he was given all authority over all people and he told his disciples to go preach what he had taught them to everyone

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

what I’m saying is Paul saying this in a letter to the Corinthians

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, ( he preached the fospem of the kingdom for years ) unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my point is read a full letter of Paul’s he’s saying if you believe what I’m preaching you’ll be saved through Jesus death and resurrection unless you believes in vein ( disregarding my preaching )

Paul taught all the same things Jesus taught his letters are just that songle epistles addressed to Chris he’s already long established in the gospel of the kingdom its why he makes so many references to the doctrine he preached

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you”

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Keep in mind the gospel of the kingdom of God .

my point isn’t out of context I’m saying Paul was t eliminating the rest of what is taught in the gospel and saying “ if you don’t believe the rest your saved “ he’s actually saying “ if you keep in mind the gospel of the kingdom we preach you’ll be saved through Jesus death and resurrection “

They didn’t just go around witnessing “ jesus rose “ they were doing what he commanded them to do go teach everyone the gospel I taught you whoever believes will be saved

a you can read a whole epistle of oils and actually gather that he was preaching the same gospel Jesus did before he died and rose about his kingdom

Keep in mind what I preached to you

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we don’t ignore the doctrine we’ll be saved through his death and resurrection of we do we’ll be judged by those same words we reject

One of the things they were commanded to preach

Peter to gentile

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul to the church at Corinth who he said “ if you keep in mind what I’m preached to you “

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

If we dont reject the doctrine regarding repentance and righteousness and the judgement of Christ Jesus the lord we’ll be saved through his death and resurrection

that’s all I’m saying paul preached the gospel of the kingdom he’s only telling them there that if they accept the things he’s preached and dont reject them the death and resurrection certainly a part of the gospel will save them

jesus taught the same thing before he died to keep his words in mind and trust in his atonement which he was soon to accomplish. In the end we need this it’s what Jesus sent to the world for salvation thisnis where the gospel is seen and heard that the apostles were talking about in the epistles

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

gods promise of no condemnation and everlasting life seems pretty relevant since he’s been promising to come speak salvation for ages


Christs death and resurrection can also condemn people who reject the word that comes with it

Maby you made not your homework?
About the RCC. I have an example. In germany lives preacher Jörg Hartl. He is a very good speaker and influences mostly youth. He claimes to be baptised with the Holy Spirit and speaks in tongues. At the same time He defends all the RCC doctrines.
How this is possible?

Of course their are differences between charismatic movements which working mostly not as church, but infiltrate churches and pentecostals have their own churches.
In the beginning of the pentecostal movement they startet not in all denominstions. It startet in Azusa Meetings and from their this teaching was shift in all part of the world.
Yes, today they are in all denominations.
The charismatic movements startet out of churches. And went in in already settled churches/ denominations. From 1987 when I became a believer till today it increases very much. I speak from germany.

Maby you made not your homework?
About the RCC. I have an example. In germany lives preacher Jörg Hartl. He is a very good speaker and influences mostly youth. He claimes to be baptised with the Holy Spirit and speaks in tongues. At the same time He defends all the RCC doctrines.
How this is possible?

Of course their are differences between charismatic movements which working mostly not as church, but infiltrate churches and pentecostals have their own churches.
In the beginning of the pentecostal movement they startet not in all denominstions. It startet in Azusa Meetings and from their this teaching was shift in all part of the world.
Yes, today they are in all denominations.
The charismatic movements startet out of churches. And went in in already settled churches/ denominations. From 1987 when I became a believer till today it increases very much. I speak from germany.

and repentance

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: ( what your saying )

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. ( what I’m saying )

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Paul says things like this

“For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He isn’t saying “ all I know is Jesus died and rose “ he’s saying I know Jesus , and understand the power of his death and resurrection “

did you notice how Paul often comes back to the death and resurrection in his teachings ? Like baptism Paul teaches us how baptism ties to his death and resurrection

There are a few places but an example

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7‬

“buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice how his doctrine ( whatboauls teaching ) isn’t just Jesus died and rose ect but he’s teaching deep true things out the gospel subjects like baptism here or another good example is communion

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

( we can see this has a real impact on the church ) For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-27, 29

My point isn’t that paul didn’t preach Jesus and him crucified Risen and exalted to the throne of course he did I’m actually saying

Paul preached Jesus the christ and his kingdom

and also him crucified risen and exalted to the throne which is the effective power of God to remit sins from repentant sinners through his death burial and resurrection being applied to believers through faith

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For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”

While our salvation is not in question the body suffers from unworthy things we do such as breaking bread with leven bread which many of you say is only symbolic.

I can think of many things that are unworthy but we each should search our lives to be more pleasing to the Lord

“For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He isn’t saying “ all I know is Jesus died and rose “ he’s saying I know Jesus , and understand the power of his death and resurrection “

did not know this event rested soley on one person

I understand completely what you're stating and asking here. So this has nothing to what your intention speaks about although it could somehow be connected if we think about it.

We know that we are in the Time of the Gentiles and that time will end, the fulfillment of that time will end.

So using your thoughts here:

When the Time of the Gentiles are fulfilled...is that when the last Gentile person is saved...or the final day God had intended for it to end?

If it's based upon the number of Gentiles who get saved then it could be based upon the last (one) person.

Paul is a master at simplification and getting to the heart of the matter. At the time of this epistle, the Corinthian congregation was suffering due to sin (leaven), and Paul wanted them to remove the leaven (one member in particular who was engaged in a horrible sexual sin) and get their focus back on Jesus.

You are very funny too, I might add.

If the issue with the Pentacostel movement started in 1900, when did you receive the gift of Discernment 70AD?

And Your Reformation churches today have left sola Scriptura for Homo -sexuality. No mainline Pentecostal church has done that.


FYI, Martin Luther was a devout Catholic priest and theologian. Yet the Reformer church today has left the Roots for Perversion and very much so in Germany today. Before Luther had an issue with the RCC fleecing the flock for many, HE defended the RCC Doctrine that came from the word of God, did he not? You hold others to a standard but give a pass to those like-minded? Hypocrite.

Yes, the gifts of the Holy Spirit started in church. Paul taught the m in 1cor chapters 12- 14. and 1987? in 1987, many churches in Germany were dead. IT WAS UNTIL 1989 THAT WAR CAME DOWN, lol.