Predestination is misunderstood...

By the looks of things.. The only way some here could think they have free will would be for God to ask them to be his replacement.

Jesus was fully human so no, it is not human nature to hate the truth, nor is human nature to err (sin). The law that puts our human nature into bondage to sin is in the body, not the mind. Our minds are deceived due to ignorance and an incapacity to discern spiritual truths, not because we have an inherent hatred for the truth.

I'm more inclined toward it being the lack of thinking in some cases. Strewth! If by my will I could have whatever my heart desired? Well, let's just say my creation would most probably break all the physical laws. I never was very good at physics.

They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin

According to your presuppositions, but not according to scripture.

Sealing is shutting out anyone or anything that is not authorised to enter or open what is sealed. The tomb was sealed to prevent anyone entering it apart from someone authorised to enter by the one who sealed it. The scroll with seven seals was not able to be
opened by anyone apart from the one authorised to open it, the Lamb after He had been slain and raised. Our new spirit, given in regeneration, is sealed by the Holy Spirit, so that nothing or no one can enter and defile that is not authorised to enter by the Father and the Son, who gave the seal to the new believer. What examples of ownership and approval are there in scripture where closure, shutting out the unauthorised, is not an obvious meaning of the sealing?

Maybe, if you are afarid to choose a champion, I'll just take the first one then and show that it does not prove the columns category is scriptural.

Maybe, if you are too timid to choose a champion, I'll just take the first one then and show that it does not prove the columns category is scriptural.

still waiting for you to show proof John Calvin wrote tulip

still waiting for you to show proof who wrote the tulip doctrine you hold to.

This is not something you should hold to or preach about when you don't even know who wrote it.

Can you understand why I'm asking now

Yes. Satan knew God before he rebelled.
Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created. "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you. "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones. "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, That they might gaze at you. "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' "

- Ezekiel 28:11-19

but it says here he rebelled after the time of moses not that I want to get into this discussion

But clearly the mountain of God refers to the mountain of God, where God appeared to moses.

So it looks it saying Lucifer fell at the time of moses.

But is this really speaking of Lucifer anyhow

Yeah like I told thunder, I read this 1,000 times and never noticed that. defiantly worth some new thought.

Ok, so now you're the only on who has cracked the code and interpreted written scripture. You have a serious problem, because there are 40,000 different interpretations. Yours is lost among the 40,000 but you have convinced yourself that you smarter then the other 40,000 and your private interpretation is the correct one.

I wish you lots of luck, and I know your not even a shepherd but you are a rouge sheep assuming the authority of a shepherd. My shepherded warned me about a hungry lion which devours smart rouge sheep. Hope the loin doesn't find you, but we know they smell prey from a long distance away.

Lot's of luck and enjoy your safari.

Did you get this stuff from Eastern Mysticisms?, it sounds like the philosophy of Confuses., The bible would never teach that sort of gobbledygook.

this comment is also depraving

Evidently the tulip doctrine has given licence to deprave the depraved.

But also evidently the tulip doctrine has infected people with a license to hold themselves above those yet to be elected.

Please enlighten me, I would love for someone to find a single fault with TULIP, then I'll jump ship and join you Armenians. Every Arminian promises to find a fault and I have offered my house to anyone who can but I've been waiting years and nobody has come forward to claim it.

It's worth a shot, you never know your luck and I wish you lots of it

i don't want to shock you out of your comfort zone.

no point in finding fault in a doctrine that as of yet you cant show proof who wrote it.