Predestination is misunderstood...
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Very interesting!
Exactly, in my first language so many things get lost in the translation to English, it is very difficult to convey that nuance. I feel like it is different than an acquired language because as much as you study and learn the language the nuance is really only understood within that culture, just my sense of it.
I will need to look up "isagogics"
Exactly, in my first language so many things get lost in the translation to English, it is very difficult to convey that nuance. I feel like it is different than an acquired language because as much as you study and learn the language the nuance is really only understood within that culture, just my sense of it.
I will need to look up "isagogics"
...Curiosity alert! What is your first language?
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Why was Jesus saying that?
Because all those religious Jews were seeking what works they could do to gain God's approbation!
Jesus set them on their workaholic fannies and told them that God must do a work before they could get saved.
Then He slammed them with a work to do to get them where their evil hearts wanted to be.
"You want to do a work to gain eternal life? Then eat my flesh and drink my blood to be saved!"
They being dull minded presumed the literal meaning and took off.
Jesus did that on purpose because he knew they were being dead weight.
grace and peace .....................
Because all those religious Jews were seeking what works they could do to gain God's approbation!
Jesus set them on their workaholic fannies and told them that God must do a work before they could get saved.
Then He slammed them with a work to do to get them where their evil hearts wanted to be.
"You want to do a work to gain eternal life? Then eat my flesh and drink my blood to be saved!"
They being dull minded presumed the literal meaning and took off.
Jesus did that on purpose because he knew they were being dead weight.
grace and peace .....................
the issue at hand is who is the cause of salvation, God or man?
I'll let Scripture answer that question.
Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.
Psa 119:49 Remember the word to Your servant, Upon which You have caused me to hope.
I'll let Scripture answer that question.
Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.
Psa 119:49 Remember the word to Your servant, Upon which You have caused me to hope.
. I dont argue with evil
Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
You still need to repent.
Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
well do you also go with the Calvinism idea that Jesus has not spoken to anyone for 2000 years and God has not saved anyone for 6000 years.
Because that's what your twisted Calvinist friend said to me.
Well can you at least be a man and answer this question directly.
I bet you can't.
Because that's what your twisted Calvinist friend said to me.
Well can you at least be a man and answer this question directly.
I bet you can't.
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The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself
intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit,
because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. From Romans 8:26-27.
intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit,
because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. From Romans 8:26-27.