Predestination is misunderstood...

Yes. As I said, Abraham will not be fully saved until the resurrection. But in other contexts saved means other things: healed from a sickness (Luke 18:42. Delivered from a demon (Luke 1:71}. rescued from some danger (Jude 1:5). Given the Holy Spirit ("saved by His life" Rom. 5:9-10, Tit. 3:5, Eph. 2:5, 8)

I appreciate your encouragement, HeIsHere. Thanks.

The scriptures that I have just posted to you says God gave his Son those that he wanted him to save eternally. (John 6:37-39).

There are many more scriptures that refer to God giving people to his Son (Heb 2:13) (John 10:29) (John 17:9) John 17:11) (John 17:24)

Sorry, ask again, and I will be happy to give you an answer.

Adam was also created in the likeness of God.
Was he the Bride of Christ?

Do you know what the term "Bride of Christ" means?

David in his resurrection will of course have the likeness of God.
But will he have the same glorious body as Christ has? No.
That body structure is reserved solely for the Bride of Christ!

This is not for a simple answer ....
It takes time and knowledge before it can be understood.

David, Moses, and even John the Baptist will not be the Bride of Christ in the resurrection.


John the Baptist even acknowledged that he will not be the Bride of Christ!

That was is the Friend of the Bridegroom, that he was not the Bride!

John revealed that he was predestined to be the Friend of the Groom!

There is a difference!


grace and peace!

Very nice points. I never "saw" that before. I appreciate you pointing this out to me and I now have to go rethink things about this a bit more. Nice questions though, had me going to scripture and seeing things I never noticed before. Thanks again.

if you do not have eternal life. are you really saved?

also interesting that in the greek. the word translated "saved" in english literally means to be rescued, to be delivered, to make safe.

I don't reject the cross. I don't think I can save myself from anything without God's grace and power. You are not justified by being redeemed.
You were redeemed along with every other soul that ever lived by the atonement offered by Jesus at Calvary for the sins of the world, when Jesus ransomed you and bought you with His blood. This was before you believed in Him.
You are justified by putting faith in Jesus. when you believe in His resurrection from the dead and profess Him Lord.
You are being saved by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit our Lord gives to those who put their trust in Him.

God's born again children (you and I) will, sometimes, be wicked and turn away from God and lust after the things of the world. When we do that, we temporary lose our fellowship with God, until we repent.

James 1:14-15, But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin, and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death=separation from God's fellowship, until they repent.

I have not said, "God saves a person KNOWING that person will fall away back to unbelief."

I have said that Abraham will not be fully saved until the resurrection. And the same applies to all. Since Jesus said the stony soil was a heart that receives the word with joy but falls away under persecution, it is possible that receiving does not men believing. So, I'll conceed that text does not prove my point. But others do. Heb. 10:26-31, and Rom. 11:17-22.

You are defining eternal (aeonous) life as endless. Jesus defines it as knowing Jesus Christ and the Father in John 17:3. If we focus on achieving Jesus definition, we won't have to worry about keeping or losing that relationship. If we focus on assuring ourselves from scripture that we cannot lose aeonous life, we are being distracted away from the Life-Giver, who should be the object of our attention, and from what is actually aeonous life..

Because eternal (aeonous) life is a quality of relationship with the Father and Jesus Christ. So, if you lose that quality of relationship, you have lost what Jesus calls aeonous life in John 17:3.

Let's talk about other OT servants. Is Moses saved? Elijah? If not, they had absolutely no right to show up and talk to Jesus at His transfiguration. The NERVE of them!

I think God's opinion is the only one that matters. If HE thinks they're saved, then the ARE saved.


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The passage

Ezekiel 18:27 King James Version (KJV)Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

So where is Jesus in the above text


well its when the father hands them to the son

secondly it's when Jesus forgives the chosen

thirdly the wicked refers to every lost soul.

do you believe this.

I asked you to acknowledge what i wrote about Jesus.

In the post where you said I hadn't provided any scripture

yes it's the reason why every lost soul is worthy of saving 😊

How do you define "saved" in this context? and which scriptures are you using to get this definition? And are Moses and Elijah fully saved, or are they still awaiting some more saving work by our Lord?

Adam and eve was someone you loved 😊

You could have fooled me, All you talk about is the possibility of losing salvation.
Actually yes you are. Your redeemed from the penalty of sin, hence you are declared righteous (justified)

Um, Not every sin was redeemed my friend.

My definition is not important. Neither is yours. How does God define it? That's all that matters.

From Matthew 17:2-3, Mark 9:3-4, Luke 9:29-30, you can observe how Jesus treats them at the transfiguration. They're not strangers to each other and they're very comfortable in each other's presence. This is before Jesus died on the cross for all of us. Why would God be so close to them at that point? Even if we don't understand, the big take away from this, is that God already treated the OT believers as His own having believed Him while they were alive in His promise to save them.


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When you claim they CAN fall away if they stop believing, that exactly what your saying./

He was just as saved the moment God declare him righteous as he will the day he is ressurected.

Actually they do not support you either.

Heb 10 is about people who have not yet come to saving faith. Who willfully sin because they have not come to Christ and taken the next step.

Vs 39 also shows the author is not talking to true believers

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Jesus said we will NEVER die in John 6.

He said in John 3 we will never die 9perish) but we have eternal life (literally will live forever)

so again, Your attempt to use languages to support your view is flawed

i would try not to be to much of a scholar.. its hurting your case