Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

Eph 1 :4-6.You say you see all five TULIP points in those verses. That is all you have said. No explanation yet of where in those verse the doctrines are stated or necessary. The absence of your explanation is the evidence that TULIP isn't really there at all.

Allow me to enlighten you with the fact that the whole Bible is about the Lord Jesus Christ, from cover to cover. And the most important thing we need to know about Jesus, if He chose to elect us to salvation or leave us under Gods wrath.

You can mock the bible all you like, but it will never change the truth of the gospel.

We can't ask can't Christ anything, He doesn't talk to us. He has been silent for 2000 years, He left us to argue about what He said so long ago. So you can't bring Christ into your battle to fight for you, He can't be everyone's friend because we are all pitted against each other so to ask Him to fight on your side is absurd.

Everyone has their own private opinion, and we know that opinion's are like mouth holes. Everybody has one.

You will never convince me to agree with your private interpretation of the bible and I will never convince you because both of us are pumped up with pride, so we would never stop to consider what the other guy has to say.

Jesus said, "all have turned aside, each to his own. None seek the truth, everyone does what's right in his own eyes".

So there you have it, Jesus exposed everyone as a scammer, pushing their own agenda.

To obey the gospel and be saved, one needs to know which interpretation is the right one. So we all rely on luck to find the right interpreter, if we fall victim to a false teacher then we must spend eternity burning in hell.

So, yeah it's quite a scary lottery. All we can do is rely on luck, to escape hell

Another cheap stunt, making private observations without any biblical foundation or support is like showing me your filthy rags. I'm not interested in anybody's dirty laundry, I'm only interested in what God said about the matter.

I don't know who you are, so I have to reject your private opinion as it contradicts everything that God said. So you put m in a hard place, where I have to make the difficult decision to choose whom I should believe. My mother told me not to trust strangers, especially when they offer free private opinions.

You have a wonderful and fascinating philosophy, but I still have to reject your advice because it came from your imagination and it doesn't line up with what God said.

Scripture says nothing of Arminius, Calvin, or Molinism. If you think it does, your imagination needs pruning.

But bang away if you must broad brush people and bear false witness against them.

Those who reject the clear teaching of the doctrine of predestination which drips from just about every page of Holy Scripture have to ask themselves if they are truly Christians for to do so is to kick against the goads of the centrality of Scripture which proclaims that salvation belongs to God and not the choice of men who hate God because of their cursed nature.

To deny the doctrine of predestination is to deny the triune work of the Godhead wherein God the Father chose a number from all nations, tribes, tongues and peoples and sent God the Son to secure their salvation and God the Holy Spirit seals that salvation to them.

Therefore those who deny this doctrine are actually denying the doctrine of the Trinity and are not yet saved. I hope and pray that those who are reading this will be humbled to cry out to Him to reveal Himself to them as the Author and Finisher of faith.

With all due respect, I reject the "choose the most likely meaning" approach, as it relies on human wisdom and we know that everyone has their own preconceived bias. So we end up with the "each to his own" interpretation and the Church disintegrates into a thousand fragments, with every fragment blowing their own trumpet and flying their denominational flag.

I'm afraid the Church is divided by inconsolable conflict over the various interpretations.

My Church Minister said, that God's Word can only be rightly interpreted by His Elect Saints. The world will never understand God's Word, because God has hidden the truth from them and they will never find it no matter how hard they search. They will remain blind and the wrath of God will abide on them forever

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean that it's not there. I already explained it to many people, but to sum it up TULIP is at the heart of salvation. So every time you think of salvation and the elect of God refer to TULIP and you'll always have a clear view of the gospel message.

It's obvious to me that you don't even know what Calvinism and Arminianism mean. So how can you make a broad brush judgement about a subject you know nothing about.

If you knew the bare minimum about the subject, you would know that it's all about the interpretation of scripture. So yes, the scriptures are front and center of the conflict.

May I suggest you do a quick study on the topic to get the basic facts, then you may be qualified to make a comment.

I would never say anything which the bible doesn't verify. It's a grievous sin to presume upon the Lord or add or take away from His Word.

God said, "let you answer be yes or no" anything other than these is of the Devil. So when people twist Gods Word to make it say, something other than what He said. It brings condemnation upon them

My exact sentiment, I couldn't have said it better myself

I see you are here simply to troll. I am ignoring you now.

I'm sorry to see you were offended by the truth, I hope and pray you find it within you to embrace it one day

You are the one following man, not me. I follow Christ; you apparently don’t.

If that was your "take-away" from what I'd put in my post (that somehow I've not grasped this fact about Him), then I believe you've profoundly misunderstood my post.

I never stated anything in my post remotely close to the idea that Jesus didn't exist before being born as a Babe in Bethlehem.

Is it your habit to "read into" texts (written by anyone) things that are not there?

Are you a Calvinist?

Well, apparently you don't follow Christ. You follow your own private interpretation of the Bible and you have placed your trust in yourself and your works to save yourself.

That's what I see here, you can deny it but you haven't produced any evidence to the contrary. Your theology is based on wishful thinking, it's far from the truth.

The Lord Jesus Christ was hated so much for speaking the truth, that mankind murdered Him and His followers because mankind hates God and the truth. Everyone was born slaves to Satan, so they hate God and love sin. That's why we must be born again.

The world thinks it stupid to suggest that someone can be born again. But I see many here think they they can be born again using black magic. Nicodemus said, "that's impossible, how can a man be born again. Can he enter into his mothers womb and be born again".

Jesus agreed with Nicodemus that it is impossible with men, but He went on to say that all things are possible with God. But I see many here claiming they can save themselves and be born again through wishful thinking and will power.

The blind will remain blind unless God opens their eyes, so they will remain self deluded until they are cast into hell.

A Christian who is also Calvinist would not say as our guest says-

"We can't ask Christ anything, He doesn't talk to us. He has been silent for 2000 years, He left us to argue about what He said so long ago. So you can't bring Christ into your battle to fight for you, He can't be everyone's friend because we are all pitted against each other so to ask Him to fight on your side is absurd.

Everyone has their own private opinion, and we know that opinion's are like mouth holes. Everybody has one."

Someone who wants to make Christianity look foolish and posing as an extreme Calvinist to do that would say that.