“”God does not give any reason why they will die if they eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, apart from the reason being that they ate of the forbidden tree.. What he implies is "If you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will die for that reason: because you ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
What we can say about this verse is that it does not say anything about there being such a consequence to the first sin as total depravity. There is not a hint here of the concept of total depravity.
So, will you admit that this verse does not mention total depravity?[/QUOTE]””
Man isn’t made to be conflicted between good and evil
were created to just hear what Gods saying and walk in that without even considering the evil contrary thing
when tbey consumed the knowledge of good and evil knowledge becomes part of the persons mind it becomes active in a mind that’s what knowledge is what a mind knows and operates by
Look at man here
“And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
….And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
Genesis 2:8-9, 16-17, 25 KJV
Gods Will puts them in Eden freely eating from the tree of life if they choose only forbidden from the knowledge of good and evil “to be as gods “ making and taking responsability one’s own judgements and determinations between good and evil having the knowledge of both having already rejected Gods judgement which is transgression
They had to reject or dismiss what God said in order to accept what Satan said
If this is true
“ the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. “
This becomes a lie
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
part of this is true but the lie in it is deadly and seperates man from the tree of life
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
Man went from Gods Will hearing his word and walking to having the knowledge of good and evil inside our mind so now it’s this conundrum
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
Romans 7:21-23 KJV
a that’s not Gods design for us he forbid that onowedge when man was created because we aren’t made to posess tbat knowledge we’re made to just believe what God said remember all he said before they sinned ?
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
…And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
Genesis 1:27-28, 31 KJV
Now look after tbey partook of the knowledge of good and evil by believing Satans word rather than Gods word
“And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.( why is Adam afraid Gods done nothing but bless him and give him things and glory on earth ? )
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
now the curses start to come because the knowledge evil has entered into man and become part of thier existsnce now
…Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
Genesis 3:9-11, 16-19 KJV
Now man is exiled from Eden and sentenced to eventual death and returning to the dust he created us from because now he knows this will happen because man has dominion and is now corrupted God knew now eventually this was coming and just ten generations later it came
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ( the knowledge of evil has corrupted mankind’s nature and they have corrupted the earth God created and gave to them for good )
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
(man partaking of the knowledge of good and evil made them sinners conflicted between good and evil and not those who simply followed thier God and fathers word )
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-7, 11-13
