Does Christ "dying for our sins" mean that Jesus was punished for our sins?

Oh, I might have been completely ignorant. Chastisement just might mean the same thing as punishment.

He took my place
His life He freely gave
He took my place
a soul from sin to save
He took my place
upon the cruel tree
He took the guilty sinner's place and I am free.

I would say they're saying the same thing in this scenario.

The Hebrew word is the same, it's just different ways of translating it. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4148.htm

I like how the AMP says it
"Yet the LORD was willing To crush Him, causing Him to suffer; If He would give Himself as a guilt offering [an atonement for sin], He shall see His [spiritual] offspring, He shall prolong His days, And the will (good pleasure) of the LORD shall succeed and prosper in His hand. "

KJ "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand."

He took it all. All the suffering this life in the natural that happens because of sin He took it that and spiritual. For our sake He made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Also 1 Peter 1:17-21 is a pretty clear passage on how we are "ransomed"

17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Matthew 20:28 reaffirms this
28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Of course Romans 3:21-26

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

2Cor 5:21

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.


I honestly think every verse in the Bible supports this idea simply because it's the truth and has to, and is the ONLY way to reconciliation with our Creator God. But there are many more that support it as well. I just listed a few.

Yes, but no blood. My body still needs an open door to get into my home. As I tell my wife when she complains about the draught.........

People seem to forget that we are made in God's image. This is before the fall of man. Jesus still has a spiritual body. I'm looking forward to mine.

If you look up the meaning of words, you will be less confused. To chastise means to punish severely, including by whipping. Jesus was whipped with the Roman scourge. That was a precursor to the "cat o' nine tails" used by the British army and navy. The Roman scourge was a nastier form that used bits of bone embedded in the strands of the whip. Isaiah said that the back of Jesus was like a ploughed field. Yes, Jesus was punished for our sins.

Leon Morris wrote a great book on this subject entitled, “Atonement.” I highly recommend it.

What world is under consideration? There is a world of believers, and there is a world of non-believers.

Could you give me a scripture on this?

Repenting and believing are works performed by those that Jesus died for (those that his Father gave him) to redeem them from their sins as they live their lives here on earth, and has nothing to do with their eternal salvation

I do believe that only a minority of people on the earth will be saved. Christ could have died for everybody although only a small percentage of people will accept Him.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Matthew 7:13-14 ESV

Those that he died for, which were only those that his Father gave him (John 6:37-39) have the promise of eternal life in heaven, however, at times, they still are tempted and lust after the things of the world

In my understanding of the scriptures, with the determination to make them harmonize, is that there will be many more that go to heaven, than there are that go to hell. If you will bear with me, I will explain why I think that.

Spiritual Israel, which is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9) Spiritual Israel is Jacob, whom God has changed his name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel.(Gen 32:28).(Rom 9:6-13)

Most of spiritual Israel turned away from God and began to worship idols, they were still God's people, just disobedient children, but God left in the midst of them a remnant that shall trust in the Lord. (Zeph 3:11-13)

So there are two types of God's children, Those that are disobedient, who are going about teaching false doctrines, and the remnant that trusts in the Lord.

There is a wide gate which are God's children who are disobedient and preaching false doctrines, and there is a strait gate which are the remnant of spiritual Israel that trust in the Lord, which leads them to enjoy an abundant and peaceful life as they sojourn here on earth.

I believe the scriptures to teach that God's children are The church, and there is visible church, which is the remnant, and there is an invisible church which is the wide gate.

Ezk 10 speaks of a wheel within a wheel that harmonizes with the two gates. The Larger outer wheel being the wide gate and the inner smaller wheel being the strait gate.

These scriptures seems, to me, harmonize with each other. When Jesus was on earth preaching the gospel, their were far more people who rejected Christ's doctrine (disobedient children) than there were who accepted it

We have to be careful to not apply all of the salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, if we do, they will teach us that eternal salvation can be achieved by our good works, and that is a false doctrine. Salvation=deliverance, according to Strong's concordance. Most of the salvation scriptures are deliverance that the born again receive here on earth by their good works.