Predestination is misunderstood...

Stan... could you please get a new Avatar? The one you are using looks like someone under restraint in prison for doing some bad things to people, Please... change it. It looks mean....

actually this avatar is a human in need of loving 😊

You should not judge based on appearances.

I like it because it looks like a guy that means business and is serious about what he believes.

You should be more concerned about the star of david not being biblical and instead being tied to the 13th and 14th centuries which saw a growing movement of Jewish sages in Spain, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East writing kabbalistic texts that explored the foundations of Jewish mysticism.

I don't automatically assume you are a believer in kabbala and Jewish mysticism, so don't assume I'm in prison and I go about doing bad things.

Are you saying Jesus didn't die in the flesh?

I don't see where he said that at all.

Or, it's a guy that knows what he believes and is in a serious mood.

One cannot look at someone and assume they know what's in a person's heart just by looking at them.

Now one you talk to someone for a while you can tell since out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (Luke 6:45)

He only mentions spiritual death. So I asked. Why not let him answer and find out?

I don't know, why wouldn't any of us not let him answer the question?

OK, sinister looking, mean looking male.

If you insist to say you identify as being as the Spirit is...?

May I suggest you join the WOKE forum.
Appearances there have no meaning.
You can be a girl demanding we see you as her dad...

Otherwise? Appearances that you CHOOSE will mean something.
And, what you presented you chose to present. Not what you were born with.


Years ago I attended Bible college. There were a very few attending (for a short while) that who were mean people.
They somehow looked the part.

Your avatar is almost a dead ringer for one of them...
And, he meant business too...

Its the Holy Spirit that drives the point home.
Not your face....
What you use is only a detraction.

And, if you do have a valid point to make?
Having a raunchy countenance getting in ones face will be misleading in that case.
Its like a street walker handing out tracts on the corner.

Your choice.
I tried.

Others here may take note of what I said...
It may help them to realize that they are not alone...

grace and peace .........

Sounds like a personal problem on your end to me.

You always have the option of not looking at my avatar.


You should be more concerned about the star of david not being biblical and instead being tied to the 13th and 14th centuries which saw a growing movement of Jewish sages in Spain, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East writing kabbalistic texts that explored the foundations of Jewish mysticism.

Predestination is unto Faith since it in the Purpose of God secures the Call of the Elect, Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

God must heal.... The Holy Spirit must fill with the love needed.

The Word of God will define what the Spirit wants to cause to become in the believer.

Without the Word being properly understood that believer will never know what God wants for their life.
They may become frustrated and try to force their own understanding to manifest in their soul.



“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.


Isaiah 55:8

That's totally funny!

A guy with a kabbala avatar based on witchcraft claiming another guy is not saved because the kabbala guy is scared of that guy's avatar! You can't get comedy like this at the comedy clubs, that's for sure

I can't put you on Ignore like I had been doing , because when others respond to your negativity it looks like they are talking to no one.

But don't look for me to respond to your negativity.... unless what I have to say may help another.
I got you pegged...

In Christ....

make it easy then....

Yeah and we know what being opposes and claims God's Word is "negative"




It's easy for me to ignore your kabbala avatar based on witchcraft since I
have the fruit of the Spirit working within me giving me access to self control.

Ok I'm confused. I thought you said they would have died anyway but I see you put a question mark at the end of what looked like a statement.

If you are asking if they would have died if they never sinned then no, they would not have died. You have to die spiritually in order to die physically.

I believe we agree on this point. I ask questions for the sake of clarity because people easily believe you are assuming things on their behalf and discussions tend to go sideways at that point. But in asking questions, others who haven't followed the entire exchange often interject comments and questions which may necessitate going back through and explaining the line of thought again. So it's a catch-22. Do you try not to offend by asking questions and possibly have to spend time explaining or risk offending?

Miracles can still happen.