Charles Stanley Correction

James is clearly written to the twelve tribes scattered abroad. What false teacher do you know teaches this?

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

You should learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

Right, Jewish Christians.

I agree with you on many topics, but I do believe they were Jews who had become believers and they were in view for James.
I think this book can be understood as consistent with Paul, salvation being by grace through faith.

James has an audience who had been entitled and steeped in the old system and found it challenging to move into understanding the connection between faith and works, I think if you dig deeper do some research you can learn a lot, it has become one of my favorite letters after the Letter to the Hebrews.

see post 42, I have studied James many times, not through commentaries.

I wonder how many sins it takes to be cut off?

Only one.

Well I do not doubt you have studied well over the years, I only meant that we always have to test our view again and again, I have only studied parts that I have troubled me.

I will have to look into what you write in post 42, but I would counter with each writer has a unique voice and that James used a common expression in time of transition to address his audience does not mean they were not Christians.

I will look into your position.

A Christian loses their salvation by leaving God.

There are no twelve tribes in Christ. The term twelve tribes is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never a reference to a called out group from that nation. To make the term twelve tribes mean Christian Jews, would violate every other usage in scripture.

Can you explain to me how you can undo the status of 'justified' which is conferred by God.

Do you have the authority to over rule the pronouncement of a judge of not guilty and make yourself guilty again?

Let's avoid eschatology because that will only muddy the waters and I want to stay on topic.

And secondly this is not personal I am just defending the truth of scripture and I think that ultimately for all of us understanding the security of salvation is much better that trying to stay saved.

Ahh yes I see too.
Good call!!

Here's a good video that refutes some of the teachings Charles Stanley taught

Me? I believe in OSAS. …. ‘cause the Bible tells me so.

I have read it is a reference to a loss of fellowship with God for a season, which I can see.
As well, I have read that being cut off refers to chastening.

I do think Jesus is linking the vine to ancient Israel and a bit of a forewarning on what is about what is going to happen within that generation.

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

What about those who are not His sheep? But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (John 10:26)

No, no one loses their salvation from committing one sin. A Christian loses their salvation by leaving God. Big difference.

When a person no longer abides in the Holy Spirit who is the only one who can impower that person to live as God wants him to and is the only seal God acknowledges that we belong to Him, he's walked away from the Lord.

That's why Dr. Charles Stanley is still saved. He never left the Holy Spirit.

In my own life, God has been so involved in my life, that I could almost believe in OSAS myself. But I know it not to be true because the Lord always points out the Bible verses that this isn't true.

This ties in with the Great Apostasy in the end times. There will be a mass of Christians who will leave God because they didn't prepare to endure when the antichrist is revealed. They'll take the mark because they want to continue to buy and sell to pay bills and care for their families and avoid being executed since refusal of the mark means death.


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Can you explain to me how you can undo the status of 'justified' which is conferred by God.

Do you have the authority to over rule the pronouncement of a judge of not guilty and make yourself guilty again?

Let's avoid eschatology because that will only muddy the waters and I want to stay on topic.

And secondly this is not personal I am just defending the truth of scripture and I think that ultimately for all of us understanding the security of salvation is much better that trying to stay saved.

This is so simple to understand

The Good Shepherd had 100 sheep, one was lost, He put the 99 in safety and went after that one who was lost and He found Him and brought him home rejoicing.

... that's it, 100% what do you want?

Well, James is clearly writing to Christians, and they're Jewish

Amen sis, it doesn't say once saved always saved but it says we have ETERNAL LIFE .... it should last until Christmas I reckons

Me? I believe in OSAS. …. ‘cause the Bible tells me so.