Charles Stanley Correction

Well when they have to tell us what that verse was really saying. Yet maybe they just don't know.. I give you one of many other examples "Some commentators suggest that since their souls will be saved from death, which is likely eternal death, these must be unbelievers who wandered toward Christ and then away from Him without ever crossing over into a sincere commitment of faith. "

I really don't like diving in to something where all you get to see is some tiny clip (meaning the two guys showing tiny clip of Stanley) . What I wondered was.. 157 thousand views in 4 years and only what 13 posts where everyone of them agree with the two. Just never seen this happen when the "Church" talks about you can lose your salvation vs once saved always saved wow the gates open and flood everywhere lol

Teachers that teach this are misleading people, which is sinful behavior.

That's the reason Jesus hated the pharisees and sadducees was because they were leading the people astray with their false teachings.





The Word of God does not actually teach once saved always saved.

Being saved is only applicable to those that abide in Christ, otherwise they are cut off.

Unless they repent and turn away from their sin and get back in right standing with the Lord.

The bible does not teach one can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord and yet this is what most churches and preachers teach these days.




And that's exactly what one does when they sin is they have made a choice that they love sin more then they love the Lord, so they are going to turn their back on the Lord and walk away from Him so they can serve their love of sin instead.




But, he taught falsely that if one was born again and later turned away from the Lord to live in sin that they would still go to Heaven. He clearly did not understand the Gospel according to the Bible since he was instead trained to be a baptist

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.




He billed himself as being a "doctor" and someone that was an expert in the gospel.

That was clearly false advertising!

Being saved is part of a process 😊

Me? I believe in OSAS. …. ‘cause the Bible tells me so.

When you pull scripture out of context one can make a case for a theory, but that theory falls quickly falls apart when understood in context.

Being cut off is not referring to the being cut off from being justified, regenerated, redeemed and adopted.

All sin was dealt with at the cross, putting your faith in that TRUTH is the Gospel, otherwise one is relying on their works/abilities/endurance/sinlessness to keep them saved which is the opposite of the Good News!

I wonder how many sins it takes to be cut off?

As soon as this guy said to go to Acts 2:37, I was done.

Once again, James is not written to Christians. He needs to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

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I see that all the warnings of being cut off, could also mean having the light removed for a while.


But I'm just not sure for how long,.I've calculated the punishment for not loving is 470 years

I have read it is a reference to a loss of fellowship with God for a season, which I can see.
As well, I have read that being cut off refers to chastening.

I do think Jesus is linking the vine to ancient Israel and a bit of a forewarning on what is about what is going to happen within that generation.

well yes the vine indicates bad branches get pruned and cut of in the same chapter.

But the point is if God declares the punishment for not loving is 470 years.

And a person doesn't repent before he dies what happens to the 470 years punishment

Among others, these 2 verses prove osas is false doctrine:

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

If osas was actually true, then the Lord would not have put warnings in His Word such as these indicating it is possible to lose our salvation if one turns away from the Lord which many are doing in these last days.




The osas people are the ones taking God's Word out of context and ignoring God's warnings, and otherwise trying to explain away things the Lord says in His Word that does not agree with their preconceived ideas.

They are teaching people to believe they have a license to sin which is why some many these days that claim to be Christians are living in sin and everyone is all good with it.

It's part of the falling away the Lord tells us will happen in the end times.

Matthew 24:4,5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)






Only one. That's how many it took for Adam and eve to be cut off.

It only took one for ananias and sapphira to be cut off.

When one turns away from the Lord and sins, they must forsake their sin and confess their sin to the Lord in order to be in right standing with the Lord once again according to His Word.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

These verses would not be in God's Word if all your future sins were automatically forgiven as the false teachers claim which leads people to think it's OK to live in sin due to having been deceived by doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1,2)




That's what many of the false teachers claim as the seek to deceive as many as they can.

James is clearly written to the twelve tribes scattered abroad. What false teacher do you know teaches this?

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

You should learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

If James wasn't written to Christians, what does this mean? Are you saying Jews can't be Christians?

"My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality." James 2:1

It was written to Jews for their time of trouble. Of course Jews can be saved, but James is not necessarily a salvation book, rather a survival guide for the tribulation. The coming of the Lord is literally at hand.

Are you sure about that JimmyTheLock? You are not fooling me.

In regard to 2 Peter 2:20, those who are truly born of God are partakers of the divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.

*These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome.

*Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature." Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment. Judas Iscariot is a good example of someone who rejected the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ yet was never saved. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)

In regard to James 5:19-20, notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died".

In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, [psuche-souls] were brought safely (saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark (Hebrews 11:7). "Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit."

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So, is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death. (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16)

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

What about those who are not His sheep? But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (John 10:26)

Right, Jewish Christians.

Ahh yes I see too.
Good call!!

Only one, then no one stands a chance. What Jesus accomplished was to pay the debt in full, past present and future.
This view of God as being so fickle with the gift of salvation so it is not really a gift but a reward is wrong, sorry but it is.

And Ananias and Sapphira had their lives taken they were not cut off.