Predestination is misunderstood...

It doesnt make it wrong

The Holy Spirit is the Author of the Gospel which the Truths of TULIP set forth

I understand but such arguments suggest that the person your talking to doesn't have the holy spirit, when we can't assume such things

Whilst there may be some faults with this tulip doctrine, it doesn't mean that they don't have the holy spirit.

is there any element of doubt in you that total depravity exists in a person whilst unsaved.

ALl flowers can't be pollinated unless there's something to pollinate, you understand that surely.

If it was true, it would be accepted by those who are Saved.

Not all who claim to be saved are saved.
Matthew 7: “Not all who call Me 'Lord, Lord' in that day are saved

This is the lords call you understand that I take

Ye can know then by there fruits.

But that would mean you get to know them by there fruits.

Not judges them by there fruits 😃

If someone is constantly abusing you there's no harm in telling them there acting evil.

Exegesis of the term...
"Total Depravity."

Logical conclusion?
There is nothing to save!!!!!!!

Our soul God created.
But, the body is what Adam caused to happen to become depraved.
Our soul was born trapped inside a malfunctioning body that will sin instinctively.



He is not the overseer of our bodies.

Our body is the natural habitat of the sin nature. Our sin nature that causes us problems, making us unable to serve God in righteousness unless the Holy Spirit is controlling our body to free our soul.

When the Holy Spirit controls our body our soul is freed up to make right choices that must be based upon
sound doctrinal thinking. We must have accurate understanding in order to walk as Jesus did...


That is why Satan encourages the advancement of the cheap junk food pastors who appeal to man's subjective emotions
rather than obedience to sound doctrinal teaching that requires we must transform away from the natural trends of our flesh.

Its our bodies where depravity lives in us by default. That is why God saved our soul, but will throw away our old bodies
into his divine trash heap when we physically die.

What is to be living by faith is our soul.

Our soul inside a crucified body that requires walking in the Spirit to function in a way that our body will conform to faith
(faith = the word of God that we believe) by means of the power of God's grace!

In Christ.....

Christ's destiny was not the Cross. The Cross was God's purpose in salvation for men. Christ's destiny is to rule all things.

The Lord may well have purpose in our own suffering but it is never our destiny. I think you need to rethink your understanding.

That's not what I posted.

I know what you posted,

Reading the verse that says not all who will call upon the lord will be saved is no different to lord saying if you don't repent to a saved person your light will be removed

I'll have to think about that.

Total Depravity, a Gospel Truth

It is received by the saved

You off on a tangent. God forknows what He He predestined or pre determined

You don't even know if you're saved until after you die, according to your doctrine. So you're making a claim that is false by your own beliefs.

Huh? The Gospel is Christ died for our sin and rose again. The good news is Christ did what we can't do, ie. be sinless (wholly righteous) and satisfy God's justice. He is the way to salvation. If you believe the Gospel you are saved. Regeneration (new birth) is your first step in that salvation. (Although, personally I believe regeneration and faith occur simultaneously)

You keep wanting people to be spiritually alive (saved from death) before giving them the Gospel which is the power of God to salvation. It's what we call "preaching to the choir". Once you are made spiritually alive, you are saved, you don't need to be saved again. You don't get born spiritually twice.

You are functioning just like a Catholic who will not budge when it comes to praying to Mary and the saints.
Its the same stubborn energy of the flesh getting its way as opposed to the Word of God.

You simply want what you want. And, believe God agrees with you.......

Because? Your god is your emotions....
Paul was brought to tears over your way of thinking.

"Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly [emotions] , and whose glory
is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things." Philippians 3:19

Your kind of stubbornness is nothing new....
Tongues people are the same way, just a different vice.

God sovereignly made me say that......


grace and peace ...............

I've already said God foreknew those He predestined. God saw himself in relationship with believers long before any of us were born and He determined to save believers and give them a destiny.

You're the one off tangent. You are confusing the journey with the destination. You quoted Acts 2:23 where Peter is telling people it was God's purpose for Christ to die based on His foreknowledge. First off, the Cross is not Christ's destiny is was a part of His journey toward His destiny and it was a part of His journey on our behalf. If in God's foreknowledge, He saw no believers, there would be no need for the Cross.

God decided on the destiny of those whom He foreknew. He didn't decide on a destiny and then "look around" to see who He could fit into it.

I dont know what you talking about