Predestination is misunderstood...

@GRACE_ambassador is actually a true spirit filled person
if you trust me please believe me and calling people msrked calling them the enemy of God id not the truth I know more thanyone what it is to be ayyacked but I still call for unity I drrk Gods love and will not hesitate to admit my wrong doings yopu have dealt with the reality of the state of the church but calling people ugly speaking of your reputation thid id not the kingdom you will not bring others deeper into Christ in Christ this way only cause more strife

The motive of why we are online is far more important look to Jesus see how he taught see how he reacted to those who tried to stone him

You will be met with such people you will be attacked mocked called names but how one responds shows the spirit they have

What are you going to do about it? Do you think that acting like a bully is going to stop people from asking questions? Not a chance.

From an administrative perspective ThunderMental generates a lot of traffic and mindless banter which is good for the site and the unsuspecting user.
From a personal perspective he’s a boring meme now.

I know but she has a habit of taking things personally and then blaming others for her misunderstandings.

Yes I would agree.

I think this idea of the condition of man as being unable to respond to hearing and responding to the Gospel message is not scriptural and superimposed on scripture.

You can pull out any scripture and I pretty sure it can be "deCalvinized" and understood within its proper meaning of the greater context.

And sadly, some who follow the five tenets of tulip are pretty open about God hating those whom are not His elect.

Just an fyi, God may have helped some along when the Gospel message was being revealed in the time of Jesus, presently people have the capabilities to hear and perceive the message without divine intervention.

3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 Timothy 2:3-6

Your way of reasoning is geared to induce insults. (if it can)

I think you overestimate the abilities of fallen man and underestimate the corruption within him. But, be that as it may,
one shouldn't conclude summarily that those who hold a reformed view are any less compassionate toward the lost.

I think you overestimate the abilities of fallen man and underestimate the corruption within him. But, be that as it may, one shouldn't conclude summarily that those who hold a reformed view are any less compassionate toward the lost.

Interesting choice of verses. You say people are capable and then speak of a mediator. Sounds like people still need help getting to God.

God may have helped some along

@Blain, thanks for your kind words...

@Oncefallen, @RoboOp, is it time to close this otherwise Very
Discouraging thread?

Amen.

The part I have come into this thread is simply because
I esd cslled to I followed the flow of the spirit even I do not know exactly what I sm here for I only know that the flow brought me here.
i csn only hope I listen to the spirit and speak what is needed to be spoken but my friend I know your stuggle I dealt with it before I even met you and such people will never be reached by any kinf og opposition it only fuels them

rvrn tofay I considered this I couldn't come on here unless his love and peace and understanding was truly in me prthspd I fp npt yet understand the difference between calling out and just speaking ill of others so I asled God to fill me with his love his patience his wisdom if I say anything let it be from him.

But you have recieved the truth snf you know it comes with much opposition smf I am sorry you had to fight on your own I sm only now regaining any measure of strength and while my physical health does affect how much I can come on I am trying

But I intend to be on here for you and everyone who who lives in him Such people do not not seek his heart only what they believe what they consider to be truth and they will not will not be reached easily No amount of scripture no amount of worfd will reach them only him his love respomfing in the spirit will reach them and even if not others who read what we say how we respond will be enticed dcriptire after scripture doctrine after doctrine what person hasn't seen this

But tje ;iving waters the actual words from God from us that is what will make the difference that is how we bring others into his fold. even now I pray for him to fill me more with his love who cares what I believe or understand what the word of says to me if his heart and kingdom does not reach anyone if what I feel ot believe does not bring others into the deeper realms of himself to me it is all in vain

Yhe [urpose of us being here that is the most important factor and yes in truth you will be unheard you will be opposed and even attacked but even I have to check myself how I respond to it only God can reach such people we are the vessel the mouth of which he speaks I understand your struggle

well I'll ask you the same question

Did Adam and eve have the truth in them in there fallen state


Genesis 3
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

What Adam and eve did whilst they where dead in there trespasses was they told the truth to the lord


Did Adam and eve speak the truth here in there fallen state. And is that why God still loved them.


Second question if the truth is not in people like satan are they deserving of God's love.

there my children and I don't need you or anyone to tell me how I should love them.

In real life co workers or friends of the Reformed view have been lovely and I do appreciate their knowledge base, however on CC there have been many who have fit the stereotype perfectly.
With regards to the fallen man that relies upon the correct understanding of scripture.

The logical conclusion of the God must regenerate first means that God withholds salvation from some, to be quite honest I find that view abhorrent but not the people who hold to it, they are just misguided, sadly.

And sadly the talking points are always the same, God is thrice holy, God is sovereign, God does not have to be fair, we are all born condemned etc., etc.,

These are not good answers to the problem, this God who chooses some and leaves other in their sin with no way out is >>>> morally ambivalent and un-tenably arbitrary.

"God ways are not are ways" and "it is a mystery" are not answers because truth is coherent not incoherent.

I get that these things don't suit your sensibilities.