Predestination is misunderstood...

No one "deserves" God's love. That is quite evident. Grace is UNDESERVED love and mercy. Not sure what you mean by "clothe you" but the imputed righteousness of Christ is also undeserved, unearned, and unmerited.

If God says?
I created man to love him?

Its not a matter of deserved, or not.

I don't know why...

But too many believers become preoccupied with religious concepts, such as deserved vs undeserved -
and will force and squeeze everything into a box of their own making.

Paul said plainly that grace is power from God. Enabling power that God gives to man.
Grace power to overcome weakness and helplessness.
It has nothing to do with being deserving, or not deserving.


Was Paul deserving God's help?
Was Paul undeserving?

God gives grace to those whom He loves!!!!

Is God really that stupid as some make Him to be?

God gives grace to those whom He LOVES!



Does a parent love his child not because he is deserving, or undeserving?
Makes no difference!!!!

So why then do some make that into such a major issue???

Answer?
'False humility."

God is our Father!
Not our employer.

Employees are evaluated as deserving and undeserving...

In Christ..... grace and peace.

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Wrong wrong wrong, for God so loved the world he gave his one and only son.

Then also Jesus said forgive them father they know not what they Do.

Then also God said he favours the humble but resists the proud..


So heres a question again I've asked for 5 pages.

@Dino246 @Cameron143 @sawdust @Genez @tylerbones1313 you can all answer


List the things that Adam eve did that was deserving of something from God in this passage.



Adam and Eve had allegedly fallen here,

Genesis 3



11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.



So what are the things that Adam and Eve did in the above passage that was deserving Of Gods love.

Baring in mind what they did was in a fallen state.
So what are the things they did in the above passage that was deserving Of God's love.

The question seems to center on the nature of God's love for humanity, especially in the context of human disobedience and failure, as illustrated by the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3. The passage you've cited highlights the moment when God confronts Adam and Eve after they have eaten the forbidden fruit, thereby disobeying God's command. This act is traditionally understood as the original sin, marking the fall of humanity.

To address the question directly: In the Genesis 3 passage, Adam and Eve's actions (eating the forbidden fruit, and then their responses to God's inquiry) are not described in a way that merits God's love based on their own righteousness or deservingness. Instead, the story emphasizes disobedience, blame-shifting, and the failure to uphold the command God had given them. Adam blames Eve (and implicitly God for giving him Eve), while Eve blames the serpent.

However, the essence of God's love, as portrayed in the broader biblical narrative, is not contingent upon human deservingness or merit. For example, John 3:16 emphasizes that God's love for the world is so profound that He gave His only Son, not because the world was deserving, but because God is love, and He desires to save humanity from the consequences of sin. Similarly, Jesus' plea on the cross, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34), underscores the nature of divine love and forgiveness, even in the face of humanity's ignorance and sinfulness.

The mention of God favoring the humble but resisting the proud (referenced in several scriptures, including James 4:6 and 1 Peter 5:5, echoing Proverbs 3:34) points to the attitude with which humans are called to approach God: one of humility and repentance, acknowledging our need for God's grace rather than claiming any inherent deservingness.

Therefore, the narrative of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3, when seen in the light of the whole biblical witness, is not about what they did that was deserving of God's love. Instead, it's a foundational story that sets the stage for the unfolding of God's redemptive plan for humanity—a plan that culminates in Christ and is marked by grace, mercy, and love, rather than human merit. This divine love is unearned and freely given, demonstrating God's character and his desire for a restored relationship with humanity, despite our failures and sins.

Listen while I do not approve of the way my firned responded you would be wise to at to at least consider what he says I have watched him grow in a a manner I have rarely seen he in the end will always point back to God je says it is about God not us your responce is not warrented I am noy afraid to call out my firends but I also know and see where peoples hearts lay

Don'y look at anyone with the eyes the world does there is much truth in what he says not because he is my friend but but because there is much you don't know about him and how connected he is to God many rely on their knowledge of scripture it is the same thing over and over people use theiur knowldedge of scripture first not the heart of God he while not perfect as I am not perfect puts God's heart first before what he thinks the scriptures say if you hold the scriptures as true then please look and recite what what the scriptures say we are to be how we are to treat one another

unity in Christ in Christ not what we think or believe if we are the body why do we only care about who is right or wrong as if that ever mattered and trust me I have failed I have been in the wrong I will not deny any mispoken word any wrong doing to others yoou ask me what sins I have cxommited I will not deny any sin in fact in my life I have been a liar I have committed blashemy against God cursed him out in my anger you can call me every name under the sun and I won't deny it butI call for unity the love that is far is far more important than anything else his love is not the same as we humans know

It changes you it brings you to the deeper depths of his heart it love it is him nothing else whatever you believe whatever you consider truth that never mattered And by all means come at me for my sins for I more than deserve it but also consider how his love has brought someone as me lower than the dirt the worms eat speaks of his love it is love and only love that brings you close to him

He doesn't care what you think he doesn't bother with what you think is truth or what you say his word is final but all this sarcasm all this division amongst each other is this what truth is? is this what his kingdom is is this what we cried out for salvation is?

Unity understanding comforting encouraging strengthening each other this is what the scriptures say we are to do and be for each other ask yourself how much of this have you done on here aside from those you agree with? I ca;lled out my own best friend I admitted my own failings have you ever done this?

What did they do in this passage that was deserving Of God's love



12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

I'm not talking about how man feels about being merited.

I Am asking you what did adam and eve do in this passage that was deserving of God's love.

Adam and eve did not do anything in this passage on the bases of something being merited

They did something.


What is it that they did that was deserving of God's love

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We give up. Tell us the answer.

What did they do in this passage that was deserving Of God's love



12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

I'm not talking about how man feels about being merited.

I Am asking you what did adam and eve do in this passage that was deserving of God's love.

Adam and eve did not do anything in this passage on the bases of something being merited

They did something.


What is it that they did that was deserving of God's love

In Genesis Chapter 3, Adam and Eve's actions, which include hiding from God and shifting blame for their disobedience, weren't any actions that were inherently deserving of God's love based on their own merit. Their actions in this chapter involve disobeying God's command by eating the forbidden fruit, leading to the fall. God's love for them, as depicted in the aftermath of their actions, is a testament to His grace and mercy, not a reward for their behavior. God's grace and mercy in responding to their disobedience, underscoring that God's love is not contingent on human worthiness.

I'm not taking about the whole of genesis 3

I'm taking about they did in this passage

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

what did they both do here

Good question, it sounds like they were trying to make excuses for breaking God's one and only command to them

Stop acting like His imputed Righteousness is wall paper He slaps on us.
That it is not there to become a part of us!

Good question, it sounds like they were trying to make excuses for breaking God's one and only command to them

where do you see the excuse being made.


Genesis 3

“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.


12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.


Where do you see the excuse being made.

Now what did they do in this passage



12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.


There something they did in this passage that was deserving of Gods love. What is it.

Wrong wrong wrong, for God so loved the world he gave his one and only son.

Then also Jesus said forgive them father they know not what they Do.

Then also God said he favours the humble but resists the proud..


So heres a question again I've asked for 5 pages.

@Dino246 @Cameron143 @sawdust @Genez @tylerbones1313 you can all answer


List the things that Adam eve did that was deserving of something from God in this passage.



Adam and Eve had allegedly fallen here,

Genesis 3



11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.



So what are the things that Adam and Eve did in the above passage that was deserving Of Gods love.

Baring in mind what they did was in a fallen state.
So what are the things they did in the above passage that was deserving Of God's love.

Well, there are none worthy but One... we put on His righteousness .

I believe in limited atonement because I believe it is unjust to accept payment for a debt and then demand payment a second time.
I believe apart from the grace of God that produces faith no one gets saved. So if grace is the beginning of salvation, then it is always initiated by God. If this is so, God did the choosing.
Your sensibilities are offended because this doesn't comport well with what you believe to be true of God. That's why I breached the subject of fair verses just. Justice is based on behavior verses a standard...it deals legally with what is right and wrong. The Judge of all the earth will always do right; meaning He will always act righteously. But He is not 0always fair. Fairness is not about behavior against a standard, but a behavior against another behavior.
I understand that fairness today has a negative connection. But God is also good. He doesn't deal differently with people as men do. He doesn't stop being good as He deals with people.
But one of the things that I find inconsistent in people is what offends them. For example, are you ok that God dealt almost exclusively with Israel in the OT to the detriment of all the other nations? Are you offended that God chose for Satan to destroy Job? Are you offended that God chose salvation for man, but not angels?
God has mercy on whom He has mercy. He chooses what He does. When that seems inconsistent with what we believe is true of Him, it is for us to alter our beliefs and not what is true of God.

Do you act as if we still have not put on His righteousness?
You will keep feeling unworthy otherwise.

If we put on His righteousness?
Have we not become worthy and deserving of God's love?
Or, His approval?
God can love you without approving of you, if you are failing to walk in grace and truth.

How do we put on His righteousness?
When its not our own righteousness?



If we are ever to put on His righteousness we need to know and understand His Word with great accuracy.
Not with the sloppy stuff we get from most pulpits these days, which is really men giving us their thoughts
and telling us of their ways. Ways that we find to agree with when we pick a church.

Where are you going to find a good pastor teacher today?


Many Christians today are ship wrecked in their faith.... Few find what is needed and real.

Who can tell you that truth?


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Hardly. It is the highest view of God. Owing nothing to anyone, but still condescending. What love!
But out of curiosity, what does God owe you?

There something they did in this passage that was deserving of Gods love. What is it.