Predestination is misunderstood...

[sawdust]

and yet another request rejected.


Tell me would the lord be happy with you not willing to search scripture and participate,

Can you not read one page and list what Adam and eve did.

Amazing, I can't tell you to listen to your friend but you want to tell me how to run my relationship with the Lord.

I've read the scripture you mentioned they did nothing, nor did God do something between eating and getting leaves. Something happened to them but they did nothing between the two things you mentioned.

Now, will you put a cross next to my answer as well and keep treating us to your guessing games as if we are all in Kindergarten or will you man up and put your idea on the table for discussion?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Amazing, I can't tell you to listen to your friend but you want to tell me how to run my relationship with the Lord.

I've read the scripture you mentioned they did nothing, nor did God do something between eating and getting leaves. Something happened to them but they did nothing between the two things you mentioned.

Now, will you put a cross next to my answer as well and keep treating us to your guessing games as if we are all in Kindergarten or will you man up and put your idea on the table for discussion?

ok your opinion is they did nothing, ok well lets wait to see what somebody else thinks after they've read it


The scripture I'm asking you to read is genesis 3

 

[Genez]

John 3:16

16 Οὕτως
16 Thus



γὰρ
for



ἠγάπησεν
loved



ὁ
-



Θεὸς
God



τὸν
the



κόσμον
world-universe

^
Same word John uses in John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2

κοσμου
of world-universe

Universe? or World?

Easy way to narrow it down?

Did Jesus die for the sins of all Martians?
For all men on Mars?

If so? Then, use 'universe.'

 

[Dino246]

ok your opinion is they did nothing, ok well lets wait to see what somebody else thinks after they've read it


The scripture I'm asking you to read is genesis 3

This conversation will go a lot faster if you just provide the information instead of playing games to get others to provide it.

 

[Blain]

My friend he has rejected every truth i have showed him, and I was telling him I don't spit truth out.

He asked me to spit truth out.

Friend I have shared the truth and asked people to a bit of soul searching for 4 pages, and none are willing.

I did the same thing to all of them before this and it took a stranger to tell them what was clearly written.


20
pages ago.


Ive even pointed them all to the exact chapter and none are willing to say what is clearly written or even make a suggestion.

Friend in over hundreds of times I've told them what I know, and they've chucked it back at me.

Now I'm asking them to search what I know with hundreds of gestures in patience and kindness and tolerance and there still chucking it back at me.

Let me ask you a question buddy, do you ask people to spit the truth out.

I understan where you are coming from I have dealt with this with my own family my entire life and you wouldn't believe how far they have gone just to control me bugging my rrom holding my bank cards lots of illegal things but all I want is to be the family we once were I have been unheard unseen mosunderstood my whole life

people have a tendency of being right in their minds but Jesus said to even pray for your enemies his nature is peaceful loving and he dealt with far more than you and I in this regard we are ti mimick not just his actions but his nature you shine his truth but love does not speak ill will towards others though I admit I have failed in this as well

Even now I may lose a dear brother because my eyes mix things together and I accidently sent a message to him instead of who it was meant for and this isn't the first time this has happened But you have the potentiel to go furtther but love is they key the most important and vital thing we even are told to pray for our enemies and I admit that I have not always abided by this but if one is rude or attacks you peace love wisdom patience this is jpw we are to respond

It agitates the enmy it brings a light to others eyes be lovee abovae all else

 

[sawdust]

ok your opinion is they did nothing, ok well lets wait to see what somebody else thinks after they've read it


The scripture I'm asking you to read is genesis 3

They have read it and they have answered you.

We are waiting on your opinion now.

.... waiting, waiting, waiting .... zzzzzzzzzzz ..... oops ... waiting, waiting, waiting.

 

[Genez]

Amazing, I can't tell you to listen to your friend but you want to tell me how to run my relationship with the Lord.

I've read the scripture you mentioned they did nothing, nor did God do something between eating and getting leaves. Something happened to them but they did nothing between the two things you mentioned.

Now, will you put a cross next to my answer as well and keep treating us to your guessing games as if we are all in Kindergarten or will you man up and put your idea on the table for discussion?

Just do not take the bait anymore....

 

[sawdust]

you are only being asked to do something with a polite gesture.

There is nothing polite about treating people as if they are children for whom only you have the answer.

No-one gave you a monopoly on the truth. Put your thinking down on paper so everyone can scrutinize it and stop justifying your guessing games.

 

[sawdust]

Just do not take the bait anymore....

Might be best. I get the impression he isn't interested in discussing anything, just wants to tell us his truth and if we disagree, we're the incorrigible ones.

 

[Genez]

Might be best. I get the impression he isn't interested in discussing anything, just wants to tell us his truth and if we disagree, we're the incorrigible ones.

He's being trained.... Don't be a classroom lesson for him.

 

[Blain]

They have read it and they have answered you.

We are waiting on your opinion now.

.... waiting, waiting, waiting .... zzzzzzzzzzz ..... oops ... waiting, waiting, waiting.

Listen while I do not approve of the way my firned responded you would be wise to at to at least consider what he says I have watched him grow in a a manner I have rarely seen he in the end will always point back to God je says it is about God not us your responce is not warrented I am noy afraid to call out my firends but I also know and see where peoples hearts lay

Don'y look at anyone with the eyes the world does there is much truth in what he says not because he is my friend but but because there is much you don't know about him and how connected he is to God many rely on their knowledge of scripture it is the same thing over and over people use theiur knowldedge of scripture first not the heart of God he while not perfect as I am not perfect puts God's heart first before what he thinks the scriptures say if you hold the scriptures as true then please look and recite what what the scriptures say we are to be how we are to treat one another

unity in Christ in Christ not what we think or believe if we are the body why do we only care about who is right or wrong as if that ever mattered and trust me I have failed I have been in the wrong I will not deny any mispoken word any wrong doing to others yoou ask me what sins I have cxommited I will not deny any sin in fact in my life I have been a liar I have committed blashemy against God cursed him out in my anger you can call me every name under the sun and I won't deny it butI call for unity the love that is far is far more important than anything else his love is not the same as we humans know

It changes you it brings you to the deeper depths of his heart it love it is him nothing else whatever you believe whatever you consider truth that never mattered And by all means come at me for my sins for I more than deserve it but also consider how his love has brought someone as me lower than the dirt the worms eat speaks of his love it is love and only love that brings you close to him

He doesn't care what you think he doesn't bother with what you think is truth or what you say his word is final but all this sarcasm all this division amongst each other is this what truth is? is this what his kingdom is is this what we cried out for salvation is?

Unity understanding comforting encouraging strengthening each other this is what the scriptures say we are to do and be for each other ask yourself how much of this have you done on here aside from those you agree with? I ca;lled out my own best friend I admitted my own failings have you ever done this?

 

[sawdust]

Listen while I do not approve of the way my firned responded you would be wise to at to at least consider what he says

The problem is he isn't saying anything. Let him put his thinking on the table for all to see instead of the guessing games he keeps playing. I will judge his words against the word not your opinion of him. I admire your loyalty but so far I have found him to be hypocritical and judgmental and I dare say I am not the only one.

 

[Genez]

The problem is he isn't saying anything. Let him put his thinking on the table for all to see instead of the guessing games he keeps playing. I will judge his words against the word not your opinion of him. I admire your loyalty but so far I have found him to be hypocritical and judgmental and I dare say I am not the only one.

That is correct.... He challenges with guessing games while simultaneously attempting to nullify what you have said by innuendo.
He offers *nothing* what suggesting he knows more than you, without helping and showing what his "knowing more" actually is.
Its spiritual guerilla warfare.

There can be no unity in the body of Christ once everyone is beyond the basic doctrinal teachings.

1 Corinthians 11:18-19

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you,
and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which
of you have God’s approval."​

Anyone who wishes unity here has a few things to learn about the spiritual warfare we are in the midst of.


Grace and peace ...................

 

[Nehemiah6]

If you didn't deserve his love in your fallen state than why did he clothe you

No one "deserves" God's love. That is quite evident. Grace is UNDESERVED love and mercy. Not sure what you mean by "clothe you" but the imputed righteousness of Christ is also undeserved, unearned, and unmerited.

 

[Genez]

If God says?
I created man to love him?

Its not a matter of deserved, or not.

I don't know why...

But too many believers become preoccupied with religious concepts, such as deserved vs undeserved -
and will force and squeeze everything into a box of their own making.

Paul said plainly that grace is power from God. Enabling power that God gives to man.
Grace power to overcome weakness and helplessness.
It has nothing to do with being deserving, or not deserving.

2 Corinthians 12:8-9​

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Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to ​

me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” ​

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s ​

power may rest on me. ​

Was Paul deserving God's help?
Was Paul undeserving?

God gives grace to those whom He loves!!!!

Is God really that stupid as some make Him to be?

God gives grace to those whom He LOVES!

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And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement ​

that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,​

​

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,​

and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,​

because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,​

and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”​

​

Hebrews 12:5-6​

Does a parent love his child not because he is deserving, or undeserving?
Makes no difference!!!!

So why then do some make that into such a major issue???

Answer?
'False humility."

God is our Father!
Not our employer.

Employees are evaluated as deserving and undeserving...

In Christ..... grace and peace.

.

 

[Magenta]

2 Timothy 1:9

 

[Genez]

2 Timothy 1:9

2 Timothy 1:9?

Perfect example!

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He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done ​

but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus ​

before the beginning of time.​

Grace was already given us before we existed!
Even before we could be deserving,or not deserving!

WAKE UP!
We are His children!
Grace is not a matter of deserving vs undeserving!

 

[Magenta]

Grace is not a matter of deserving vs undeserving!

Well, there are none worthy but One... we put on His righteousness .

 

[Genez]

Well, there are none worthy but One... we put on His righteousness .

Stop acting like His imputed Righteousness is wall paper He slaps on us.
That it is not there to become a part of us!

The more sound doctrine we learn and understand to think with?
The more His righteousness comes to the surface for angels to see.
I say that because man is too stupid to appreciate what God is doing through man...
They waste the time God gives to learn His Word with accuracy.
Instead, create fade teachings to absorb themselves in and seek approval from
one another on how well they adapt to religious concepts of their own making.....

He saved us and made us his holy people. That was not because of anything we did ​

ourselves but because of God’s purpose and grace. That grace was given to us through ​

Christ Jesus before time began.​

​

2 Timothy 1:9​

Before time began we were neither deserving, nor undeserving...
To make it an issue of being undeserving is making God to be stupid.

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”​

​

Hebrews 12:6​

We are so dumb...... God loves us!
That is why He gives grace. So we can do well!

Its Satan who wants us to keep thinking we are not good enough for God!
We were God's choice! Is He stupid?

Are we to be a shy withdrawn wall flower before God?
Totally undeserving and not worthy to stand in His presence?

Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, ​

that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in ​

time of need." Hebrews 4:16
​

Grace is God's enabling HELP for us! He wants us to succeed!

........ and find grace to help in time of need.

What's it to be?

Withdrawn. = Undeserving.
Come boldly before Him? = Knowing you are loved!

We are being degraded in this world when God wants us to be made able to stand tall in knowing truth..

So! Seek and learn sound doctrine!
Not all these cliche teachings that believers bond with each other with!

Many will be concentrating on their own personal "clique forming doctrines."
Paul warned that in the end times many believers will invent their own theologies to bond and form into cliques with!
That they will stop wanting to learn sound doctrine!

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number ​

of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3​

Note: 2 Tim 4:3.
The good teachers will not be found in that mix of the great number of the many teachers that many will seek for...
Only a few will qualify to really teach sound doctrine. James 3:1.


............ "I am more undeserving than you are!"

That attitude should only last as long as one is remaining ignorant of having enough sound doctrine to think with.
The only ones who should feel undeserving are those remaining in ignorance of sound doctrine!
Those not seeking truth till they find it.

And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ,
after you have suffered a little while,
will himself restore you and make
you strong, firm and steadfast."

1 Peter 5:10

Where are these believers today?​

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[tylerbones1313]

Now I will ask you to look further into the scripture the question is what did adam and eve do just before God served punishment.

Let me ask you the question again.

there was something Adams and eve did, what is it, 🤔

Something they did that was deserving of something from God


It's there if ye seek and read and look at every thing they did after gaining knowledge of Good and evil untill the lord served his punishment to them.

What was it that they did.

They sewed fig leaves together to cover their nakedness.