DON'T take the Mark!

Someone having a different opinion that you does not mean they are laying about you.

Many common vaccinations, not just the Janssen Covid vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna only used them in testing, not development), were developed using cell lines that originated with two selective abortions in the 1960s. There are no fetal cells in the final vaccine that is injected. Saying that there is isn't an opinion, it's a lie.

I am not sure there is proof there will not be "believers" who will take the mark. Of course, as soon as they take it, they have identified their side and are eternally lost.

We do know the rapture will not happen until after the anti-christ is made known to the world according to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

I have tried to distinguish between the Church (as present on earth before the Rapture) and the Tribulation Saints (primarily converted Jews but perhaps many Gentiles during the reign of the Antichrist ) who will hear the Gospel from the two prophets and become believers. They will not take the mark, and will be beheaded (Rev 20). But the entire Church will not be present at that time.

The Tribulation Saints will be resurrected and also live and reign with Christ after His Second Coming (along with the Church) as noted in Revelation 20. Both Daniel and Revelation say that the Antichrist makes war with the "saints", and in Daniel it is a reference to Jewish saints. In Revelation it could be both Jews and Gentiles.

At the same time God preserves a believing remnant of Israel in the wilderness, so we are to take all these prophecies together. The only real point I have been making is that there is a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, which pertains to the divine Bridegroom coming for His Bride. We do not have enough details about all these other things to be definitive.

Why do you feel you need to be taken out of the world when only the saints in Israel are persecuted by the Beast?

Paul said let no man deceive you by any means for the gathering of the saints shall not happen until there is a falling away first.

Which the falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations governments came together for a one world government and will not allow the preaching of the Gospel, and a personal God, favoring their religious system that believes people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

And the man of sin claims to be God which he does in the middle of a 7 years period that God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years.

The resurrection shall not happen until that time so it will be before the middle of the 7 years period.

And then the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the saints then all things are finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to the Father, and then He shall put down all authority, power, and rule.

So the saints shall go through the 7 years period.

Also the Son puts the world down when the resurrection happens so if the resurrection happens before the 7 years period then why does God allow them to continue for 7 years.

It is the end when the Son delivers up the kingdom to the Father so why would God allow them to continue for 7 years if it is the end.

So if the resurrection is before the 7 years then God would not allow them to continue for 7 years because it is the end.

The resurrection happens after the 7 years period for then it is the end.

Also there is no tribulation saints because Jesus said if they miss the resurrection He shut the door so they cannot enter and will have their portion with the hypocrites.

Also when the resurrection happens the world has no chance to be saved for if they missed it for they denied the truth.

The Bible says the Gospel will be preached in to all the world as a witness to all nations before the resurrection so all people will know of it so if they missed the resurrection they missed out.

Also God is allowing the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, and then He will end sin on Earth.

So if God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years then the saints will remain on Earth to represent the truth for if the saints were not on Earth then how does the world go against the truth for 7 years.

Also for the first three and one half years the world has salvation available to them like now so the saints will remain on Earth to represent the truth so there is no resurrection before the 7 years period.

Paul said let no person deceive you for the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God which happens in the middle of the 7 years period.

Also there is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints, and 1 of the dead, not 2 resurrections of the saints, 1 before the 7 years period, and 1 later on, for there is only 1 resurrection of the saints.

Also there is not a resurrection of the saints, and then Jesus comes back to be united with tribulation saints that do not get caught up.

Because the Bible says that at the battle of Armageddon when Jesus fights the world and defeats them that the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

So when Jesus comes back all the saints come back with Him so there is no saints on Earth so there is no tribulation saints.

So there is not a second resurrection of tribulation saints for there is only 1 resurrection of the saints, and there is no tribulation saints on Earth when Jesus comes back because all the saints are with Him.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Some shall depart from the faith and follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that is of the antichrist.

2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years period it will overthrow the faith of some people that had faith and they will follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

And then the people that preached a resurrection happening before the 7 years period will be responsible for those people losing faith because they thought they missed the resurrection, and either thought that they missed out on salvation, or the Bible was not true how it was preached for many years.

Also for people that think that God would not allow the saints to go through tribulation during a 7 years period the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.

The first three and one half years salvation is available to the world so the wrath of God would not be there.

When the beast claims to be God then he has three and one half years to continue, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, so the wrath of God would not be there.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way so the wrath of God not be there for if it was then how did God give them their way.

This is not a matter of "feeling" but of FACT. God and Christ never planned for the Church to face the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation (a period of wrath and divine judgments). Therefore Daniel and Jeremiah refer strictly to the Jewish people in connection with the Tribulation.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people [the Jews]: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people [the Jews] shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Dan 12:1)

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's [Israel's] trouble [tribulation]; but he shall be saved out of it. (Jer 30:7)

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which the people of the US support out of ignorance.

Most of the Churches tribulation has come from those claiming to be Christian. The RCC spent hundreds of years trying to thwart any movement different than their own. And even though the Catholic institution has been such a tremendous form of evil, it did not arise from the sea and the whole world be amazed at it.

So, who is the Beast to you, since you type as if it's been ruling all of these years?

Correction:

which the people of the WORLD support out of ignorance.

Saying people who got vaccinated took "the mark of the devil" isn't an "opinion", it's an accusation.

That is a misunderstanding .

This is not a matter of "feeling" but of FACT. God and Christ never planned for the Church to face the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation (a period of wrath and divine judgments). Therefore Daniel and Jeremiah refer strictly to the Jewish people in connection with the Tribulation.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament: apostasia-defection, apostasy, revolt; in late Gk. (MM, Exp., viii; Lft., Notes, 111; Cremer, 308) for cl. apostasis, freq. in sense of political revolt, in LXX (e.g. Joshua 22:22, 2 Chronicles 29:19, Jeremiah 2:19) and NT always of religious apostasy: Ac21:21, II Th 2:3.

NO, they are mistaken and are in error but that does not mean they are a liar if they really think that even though it's in error.

You gotta be careful with accusing people of being liars lest someone follow you around to find something you say that's wrong and claim you are intentionally lying and being malicious towards others like you are doing to this guy.

Just tell him he is mistaken and move on.





No, it's what the scripture says. Take it or leave it.

If leaving it, don't forget to rip 2nd Thessalonians out of your Bible.






That's plausible considering the Jewish people are still rejecting Jesus as their Messiah






That's totally faulty and should be flushed down the toilet!

It ain't nuthin but pre-tribber propaganda

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

Wow, that's a lot of typing to completely miss what I said. The lying wasn't the accusation, it was saying something was in the vaccine that wasn't.

You cannot prove aborted baby parts are not in the vaccines.

Believing what the big faceless corporations say is the first mistake!

You cannot prove aborted baby parts are not in the vaccines.

Believing what the big faceless corporations say is the first mistake!

That's totally faulty and should be flushed down the toilet!

Since you believe the COVID vaccination is the mark of the beast,have you not been able to buy or sell anything since the Trump administration first started administering it?

Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.