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Cameron143

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i was just explaining what i thought Oyster was saying.

to figure out where we get 12-13 yes old from, we need to talk to a Jew. i'm afraid i don't know well enough where this comes from, apart from that it's in mishnah, and whether those old rabbis were wrong or right, they did always use scripture to back up what they were saying...

so there's some perceived basis for the idea that goes back a very long time in Hebrew culture.
I'm aware that this is in Jewish tradition, and I understand what @oyster67 is positing. I don't personally find the distinction to be one of accountability from the scriptures offered. I was trying to see if you could offer a different perspective or alternate scriptures.
 

oyster67

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Sure. But as yet, no one has given the reason for the distinction.
Childlikeness. I just seems so obvious...

Matthew 18:4
“Whosoever therefore shall HUMBLE himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”

Jesus here spoke of humbleness. Oyster did not throw the word child into the mix; Jesus did.
 

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Just for information purposes, Jewish boys begin synagogue training at age 6.
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Deuteronomy 11:19​
You shall teach them to your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.
 

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I believe the humility Jesus speaks about is belief in Jesus where the adult tries to reason.
6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin
That verse is not applicable because it's not describing children. The context of that verse describes the "little ones, who believe in Me", as new converts to Christianity.

That was given as a warning to those who seek to lead new Christians into false, unbiblical doctrines. The warning was directed at the false preaches who were a problem for the early Church and continue to lead new Converts astray to this day.
Next time, read the context before asserting its subject.

Matthew 18:2-6 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. “If anyone causes one of these little onesthose who believe in me—to stumble...
 

Cameron143

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Childlikeness. I just seems so obvious...

Matthew 18:4
“Whosoever therefore shall HUMBLE himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”

Jesus here spoke of humbleness. Oyster did not throw the word child into the mix; Jesus did.
So what does this have to do with accountability? I don't see the connection. The subject is the kingdom of heaven. Humility is the attribute that is in view.
 

Cameron143

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:)

Deuteronomy 11:19​
You shall teach them to your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.
Sounds like a call to homeschooling...see also Deuteronomy 6.
 

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I'm still waiting for a single shred of evidence to support the private views and strange interpretations of those who think that a Child can be mature enough to become a member of the Body of Christ. There is absolutely zero Biblical evidence to support your theory.

BTW I hate to break it to you, but the Church didn't exist at the time of those supporting scriptures you exhibited as evidence. So your argument is null and void
Eyeroll to that :rolleyes:. Luke 1 :15 says that John The Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was born, though I doubt you'd consider him part of the "Church" either.


As far as post-Pentecost, Acts 16 does not list the ages of the jailer's family, but it's very unlikely that no children were involved:

32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.


I think you should be very careful before saying who is and isn't "mature" enough to come to Jesus. We are all works in progress and Jesus is the one who does the work. We just have to yield to what HE is doing. But I'm glad your church at least allows children to attend......and I'm glad yall don't allow infant baptisms.
 

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I think you should be very careful before saying who is and isn't "mature" enough to come to Jesus. We are all works in progress and Jesus is the one who does the work. We just have to yield to what HE is doing. But I'm glad your church at least allows children to attend......and I'm glad yall don't allow infant baptisms.
Agree. (sidebar) How in the world did this Thread go from women Pastors to children being old enough for salvation?

Oh well, it is the BDF. :)

So, ok: There is a common thought that there is an "age of accountability." That meaning, at such an age a child may pray for Jesus to come into their life, just as any older adult may do.
What is this exact age? Debatable at best, but from all I have read, the age of 12 is most mentioned.


How old was Jesus when He stayed behind and spoke in the Temple? Gospel of Luke, Chapter 2:42) And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

43And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.


This is why most people I know say the age of 12 is the age one is old enough to decide to become a follower of Jesus. Others may believe as they wish, but I go with this also.
 

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You need to stop reading the scriptures for now and ask yourself do you trult know him?
This pretty much sums it up. Why is it that every one of your posts is an attack on God's word, and designed to get believers to question if they truly know God?
 
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This pretty much sums it up. Why is it that every one of your posts is an attack on God's word, and designed to get believers to question if they truly know God?
Because men are superior to women.Has led to many human tragedies. That's not right.
Prove that human beings don't really understand God's good intentions.
 

John146

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The point is that your interpretation of Scripture may be erroneous, and if you don't examine your interpretation, you might never discover that it is wrong.
Can you give an example?
 

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from crosswalk.com

God certainly didn’t restrict women when it came to Miriam, Deborah, and Hulda. And the New Testament was birthed in the Holy Spirit’s baptism which fell on men and women alike.

Anna is the first evangelist testifying that the Messiah had come. Paul himself commends the teaching ministry and leadership of Priscilla, Phoebe, Chloe, and Junia.

How many Nightingales has the church lost?

Perhaps the church should be busy setting women free to use their gifts like God did with these incredible women in Scripture instead of creating a dogma out of four verses that stand in stark contrast to so many others.
 
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from crosswalk.com

God certainly didn’t restrict women when it came to Miriam, Deborah, and Hulda. And the New Testament was birthed in the Holy Spirit’s baptism which fell on men and women alike.

Anna is the first evangelist testifying that the Messiah had come. Paul himself commends the teaching ministry and leadership of Priscilla, Phoebe, Chloe, and Junia.

How many Nightingales has the church lost?

Perhaps the church should be busy setting women free to use their gifts like God did with these incredible women in Scripture instead of creating a dogma out of four verses that stand in stark contrast to so many others.
I can differentiate between women teaching and a woman teaching in church. I don't really know exactly what Priscilla, Phoebe, Chloe, or Junia did, as far as I know only Priscilla can be gathered to have taught anything from what it says in the Bible (she and her husband expounded upon Apollos), but if they were just teaching and not "teaching" as in before a congregation in a church it still makes sense for Paul to have written what he wrote, but perhaps expounding upon something is not teaching, though it seems like it might be.
 
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This pretty much sums it up. Why is it that every one of your posts is an attack on God's word, and designed to get believers to question if they truly know God?
How long are you going to keep on miss representing what your brother has said. You clearly have badgered blain long enough now. And you should give him a break,

You've hurt him enough.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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God gave me the right to deny children Church membership. Why didn't God chose any children to join the Church when He established it.
See you need to deal with the facts and leave your emotions out of it, as they will get in the way of your reasoning.
A child dies, they enter heaven. Does't matter what denomination says, matter what the Word says. Period. I wouldn't say one gives a child a church "membership" because that comes with adult responsibilities. But they are as much a part of the church as their family is. The adults are members the children are part of the wider church family.
 

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This is why most people I know say the age of 12 is the age one is old enough to decide to become a follower of Jesus. Others may believe as they wish, but I go with this also.

My mother tells me I was about 4 yrs old. Was I accountable at that age? Did I understand what I was doing or saying? Hardly. My heart was tender at that age. With what understanding I had. Not everyone is mature to understand at the same age and I think the Lord would know when that age is for each person. A child cannot be held accountable for what they do not understand. And of course mentally some never reach that age. God's grace covers such people.
 

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Perhaps the church should be busy setting women free to use their gifts like God did with these incredible women in Scripture instead of creating a dogma out of four verses that stand in stark contrast to so many others.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the women feeling the call of the Holy Spirit into ministry should leave those church groups/denominations that forbid them to enter the Ministry and become Preachers, Pastors, Evangelists, Teachers? They should obey the call of the Spirit and not the traditions of man IMO.
 
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