Should Jesus love you because you are a sinner 🤔

Because God is Love \/...

This brings up a question I've given a lot of thought to. But before that, let me say this:

God is not "obligated" or "required" to do ANYTHING, at least not in the way that we understand obligations and requirements. God is not "duty-bound" to do what He does; He does those things because they are in His nature to do. In order to assert that God is obligated, required or duty-bound, one would have to say that there is some authority higher and greater than Him. Which there isn't.

As for my question, I have asked myself, "Would God be perfectly just if He condemned all of mankind, full stop, or is He perfectly just BECAUSE He chose to offer salvation to us?" In any case, we don't "deserve" it.

The Scripture says that God is love.

Also, God could never do anything that is contrary to His nature. He cannot sin, He cannot change, He cannot NOT exist, etc.

We will never FULLY understand God; we were never meant to.

So therefore, my question remains unanswered. And I'm perfectly fine with that.

God loves us in spite of the fact that we are sinners.

Why does God love you.

Should it be he loves you in spite of your differences, that would be obligation on your part to be loved.

The question is why does God love you.

What the title implies, is why does God love you.

Nothing else, nothing more.

Unfortunately, it does not "imply" that at all. You may have been thinking that, but were not successful in communicating it.

Well alrighty then, do you have any ideas why anyone has not mentioned love is a two way bond 😊

If you think that's pertinent to the discussion, then it's your responsibility to share it. Nobody else can read your mind.

Perhaps you could explain what you mean by "love is a two way bond".

Well I asked you why does God love you,

And several others, and nobody has answered because I love him.

read the scripture again, it says love the lord your God with all your heart.

"Why does God love you" is a question that warrants an answer with and overt or implied "because" in it, giving the causal explanation for the reality at hand.

Scripture does indeed say, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart."

However, it definitely does not say that God loves me because I love Him with all my heart. That would be putting the cart before the horse.

Bible says God loves sinners and wishes none should perish. That is the period to the question.

Well I asked you why does God love you,
And several others, and nobody has answered because I love him. read the scripture again, it says love the lord your God with all your heart.

Hello Thunderrr-mental, God's love for us is just like He is, from everlasting .. e.g. Jeremiah 31:3. What that means is that there was never a time in eternity past (LONG before we existed, IOW) when He did not already love us. This also means that He ~chose~ to love all of us who are or who will be His adopted children LONG before we did anything, good or bad, long before we would have had an opportunity to love Him back.

Therefore, His love for us isn't based on anything that we choose to do or fail to do, rather, it's based on who we are to Him (like a parent's love is for their newborn baby). God chooses to love us as human "beings", not as human "doings".

This also means that He doesn't stop loving us when we make sinful choices, or love us more because we make righteous choices, because again, His love for us isn't based on what we do, but on who we are

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

Can you show me where the bible says God loves the sinner...
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Obviously you've never heard the testimony of a sinner come home. You've never seen a drug addict broken loose, a marriage healed, a lost child come home. Because if you had I wouldn't have to suss out every Bible Scripture that proves God loves the sinner.

Firstly let's look at scripture after the fall.

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will


There seems to be alot of people here using the above scripture, saying God knew Adam and eve would sin before they did In the garden of eden, which was a heavenly Garden where Adam and Eve walked with God.

A place where you could live in the presence of God and be trusted,

A place where you was walking in innocence, without shame of who you where, and without shame of who your father was.

lets look at the scripture again.


3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will


The first sentence reads he chose us to be holy and blameless.

so does that mean he chose us to sin in the garden of eden.

does it mean he created us knowing we would sin.

it looks like it's saying he created us to be holy and blameless, and none of the above.


Then we see the word before ? 🤔

Cannot before also mean to be brought before Creation, or to be brought before God.

so we see the words he chose us before the Creation of the world

well is God not creation and everything in his creation


look where his creation also speaks

for God said let us make man in our image

who was the us 🤔

well would not the us be all of creation at that time when he spoke this verse, let us make man in our image.

should we lose the word us in favour of doctrine

I Mean surly if God is asking a group to participate in the creation of man, that is what it means.


so the most important part of the question here is.

Did God choose us before the creation of the world to be adopted by his son because he knew we would sin.

or did he choose his son to adopt us out of love because he loves us.


So this seems to be lost amongst many , that somehow God chose his son to love us because he knew we would sin.


hmmm I mean isn't this just a bit of a dilemma.

surely when Adam and eve where created, before they sinned Jesus would of loved them anyway.

But then I suppose we also should look at knowing whether God knew Adam and eve would sin at first in the Garden of eden.


Well it seems pretty strange that God would command Adam and eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge, if God already knew they where going to anyway.

then we come to Genesis 3 which suggests in a total of God suggestion, on 5 different occasions that God before the fall of man, did not know Man was going to sin before they did.


but Besides this Should Jesus love us because we are sinners.

Or should Jesus love you because he can 🤔

I'm confused. God knows the beginning and the end so of course he knew we would sin. Didn't he set that up?....I mean a tree of knowledge? That would be like giving your kid a giant red button and telling them don't push it.

My theory is it was done on purpose for multiple reasons but mainly he wanted the prodigal son to still be with him. So he made mankind, little gods who look like him! So we would be more attached to him bc he is life. I think he wanted to experience life in us. Eternity is a long time.... I think he enjoys being with us and experiencing life with us. Like watching your baby walk for the first time.... so many firsts. Of course he could have had that in the garden of eden, but.... the new earth will be like the garden of eden. Everything will be turned around to the way it was suppose to be.

Okay so he knew everything was going to happen but allowed it. In my opinion the demons and the devil were basically used by God. I mean it sounds mean but he created them too. The tree of knowledge caused death bc God didn't want sin to last forever. He also allowed us to sin in time, a loophole in the law so he could pull us out of the crime essentially. The devil and demons sinned in eternity.... so they can't be saved. The wicked people on earth are just as useless as the demons but they are also used to help us or make us grow. They are the weeds.... if not for us they would be gone. But wheat grows with the weeds, maybe even in the same family. While we don't know the weeds we can tell by their fruit.

Now the law part. God is love and justice. So people love to remove that justice part. Jesus was essentially a loophole in the death law. A perfect lamb was needed to unite people and God. So now the devil is ticked bc he realizes God tricked him this whole time.

"Should" Jesus love us? No. But he does so why argue with it? Jesus was tested by God, the way we are only he passed. Jesus understood only he could do the task and trusted the father to make things right. Which he did. The suffering lasted on the cross and the torture, but then he rose and was in paradise. Again I say Jesus was blessed before the cross and was a rich man. It says he was a rich man. God paid his child support when the 3 kings showed to Jesus. The father always took care of Jesus, even on earth and that's why he loved him so much. The only time he didn't bless him was on the cross, and that's why Jesus says "why have you forsaken me?" Bc God is a God of blessing and the cross seemed like the opposite. But it was a loophole.

So there you have it. You may not agree with it but it makes way more sense than what I was taught growing up.

I'm Ok with your explanation in part. 😊

But before the work of grace, the heart is stoney, and even the stoney man is still duty bound to obey God. A stony heart is stubborn, but God says he will take away the stoney heart, He does not say he will try to take it away. Or give us some power, so that we can take it away ourselves, No he says he will take it away. And nothing will stop him ... So how is man's will free brother