Firstly let's look at scripture after the fall.
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
There seems to be alot of people here using the above scripture, saying God knew Adam and eve would sin before they did In the garden of eden, which was a heavenly Garden where Adam and Eve walked with God.
A place where you could live in the presence of God and be trusted,
A place where you was walking in innocence, without shame of who you where, and without shame of who your father was.
lets look at the scripture again.
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
The first sentence reads he chose us to be holy and blameless.
so does that mean he chose us to sin in the garden of eden.
does it mean he created us knowing we would sin.
it looks like it's saying he created us to be holy and blameless, and none of the above.
Then we see the word before ? 🤔
Cannot before also mean to be brought before Creation, or to be brought before God.
so we see the words he chose us before the Creation of the world
well is God not creation and everything in his creation
look where his creation also speaks
for God said let us make man in our image
who was the us 🤔
well would not the us be all of creation at that time when he spoke this verse, let us make man in our image.
should we lose the word us in favour of doctrine
I Mean surly if God is asking a group to participate in the creation of man, that is what it means.
so the most important part of the question here is.
Did God choose us before the creation of the world to be adopted by his son because he knew we would sin.
or did he choose his son to adopt us out of love because he loves us.
So this seems to be lost amongst many , that somehow God chose his son to love us because he knew we would sin.
hmmm I mean isn't this just a bit of a dilemma.
surely when Adam and eve where created, before they sinned Jesus would of loved them anyway.
But then I suppose we also should look at knowing whether God knew Adam and eve would sin at first in the Garden of eden.
Well it seems pretty strange that God would command Adam and eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge, if God already knew they where going to anyway.
then we come to Genesis 3 which suggests in a total of God suggestion, on 5 different occasions that God before the fall of man, did not know Man was going to sin before they did.
but Besides this Should Jesus love us because we are sinners.
Or should Jesus love you because he can 🤔
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
There seems to be alot of people here using the above scripture, saying God knew Adam and eve would sin before they did In the garden of eden, which was a heavenly Garden where Adam and Eve walked with God.
A place where you could live in the presence of God and be trusted,
A place where you was walking in innocence, without shame of who you where, and without shame of who your father was.
lets look at the scripture again.
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
The first sentence reads he chose us to be holy and blameless.
so does that mean he chose us to sin in the garden of eden.
does it mean he created us knowing we would sin.
it looks like it's saying he created us to be holy and blameless, and none of the above.
Then we see the word before ? 🤔
Cannot before also mean to be brought before Creation, or to be brought before God.
so we see the words he chose us before the Creation of the world
well is God not creation and everything in his creation
look where his creation also speaks
for God said let us make man in our image
who was the us 🤔
well would not the us be all of creation at that time when he spoke this verse, let us make man in our image.
should we lose the word us in favour of doctrine
I Mean surly if God is asking a group to participate in the creation of man, that is what it means.
so the most important part of the question here is.
Did God choose us before the creation of the world to be adopted by his son because he knew we would sin.
or did he choose his son to adopt us out of love because he loves us.
So this seems to be lost amongst many , that somehow God chose his son to love us because he knew we would sin.
hmmm I mean isn't this just a bit of a dilemma.
surely when Adam and eve where created, before they sinned Jesus would of loved them anyway.
But then I suppose we also should look at knowing whether God knew Adam and eve would sin at first in the Garden of eden.
Well it seems pretty strange that God would command Adam and eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge, if God already knew they where going to anyway.
then we come to Genesis 3 which suggests in a total of God suggestion, on 5 different occasions that God before the fall of man, did not know Man was going to sin before they did.
but Besides this Should Jesus love us because we are sinners.
Or should Jesus love you because he can 🤔
