Women Pastors

I agree. However, if Paul is saying that because there was prevalent teaching among the pagans that Eve was formed first and was not deceived, and he is refuting that claim rather than explaining why "women can't teach", then it is a context-specific statement.

Consider how many women would have attended synagogue and learned Torah... somewhere between very few and zero. Indeed, one of the rabbis actually wrote, "Rather let Torah be burned than taught to a woman". Paul is shattering that norm by saying, in essence, "Let the women learn Scripture!" He adds, "in silence" which is also appropriate for the male students. The gist of the whole passage changes entirely.

Instead of saying, "If you have two X chromosomes, you have inherited Eve's propensity for gullibility and are therefore restricted forever from vocalizing in the Christian assembly", Paul is saying, "Also let the women learn like the men do, but let those who were teachers of pagan falsehood be restricted from teaching in the Church until they have learned Christian truth".

I think women can take part in church just as men can, sharing the gospel and talking about things as they like, just as a man could, but unless I'm mistaken somehow Paul is saying that he doesn't permit a woman to teach or to "usurp authority over the man". It seems to me that in church certain things are the responsibility of men and not women and he gives his reasoning as to why. I don't know how you could read it any other way.

I would also like to point out that every Church member is of equal value in the Body of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church and we are His body. Every member of that body is precious.

The Church elders are just like the other members, they never ask for any special treatment and nobody looks up to them as being any better than the rest of us. The only difference is, they have more responsibilities. They have to be available at all times to give counsel or any other kind of support to members who may be in some kind of need.

Folks shouldn't automatically assume that God values men more than women, just because He placed a greater burden on the men in the Church. Women still have very important roles, such as Sunday School teachers and other hospitality roles, such as visiting people in nursing homes and hospitals. And lets not forget the biggest and most important role in the Church and that being raising Children in a Godly way.

Every member has different gifts, so we can all be a blessing to the Church in our own way. Nobody should ever make themselves out to be more important or better in any way. We're equal in God's sight

There are a lot of gullible women. There are many falling over themselves in order stroke men's egos and please them, swallowing the hook, line and sinker. Lol, Reel 'em in fellas!

You can also get some very gullible men too.
That is why I believe we need God to help us discern what/who's spirit is at work in people.

There are a lot of gullible women. There are many falling over themselves in order stroke men's egos and please them, swallowing the hook, line and sinker. Lol, Reel 'em in fellas!

Sorry Snackersmom but I will not be responding to any more of your questions. You said you do not agree with what is in 1 Cor 9:5 even though it is plain as day. So really Scripture means nothing to you.

I even had one pastor appoint a couple of guys to make sure I and other single females didn't get deceived and start fornicating . I've made it 40 years celibate without a "warden", I think The Holy Spririt is keeping me in check just fine.

Seriously?! Oh wow, I don't think that pastor would like my response to that idea!! Where do these people get off? Take about egotistical and spiritual pride. smh

Amen to that, Sister! I assist with the youth group at church (don't worry boys, I'm not in authority over any men and the official youth pastor is a male). Anyway, we did a study on spiritual gifts last Summer, and the discernment was actually a lot stronger in the girls than in the boys. That's nothing against the boys at all, they had different gifts. But those little ladies could spot a phony in no time flat.

I have no problem with any Biblical restrictions on women. I'm actually pretty careful about that myself. But I have found that anything I thought God was leading me to do in the church, the men in leadership agreed and gave it their blessing. And it always turned out great.

My issue (and reason for even posting in this thread), is that over the years I have encountered many people who use their "status" as married and/or male to make others feel inferior or like they have nothing to add or are only good for babysitting the nursery and sweeping the floors. I even had one pastor appoint a couple of guys to make sure I and other single females didn't get deceived and start fornicating . I've made it 40 years celibate without a "warden", I think The Holy Spririt is keeping me in check just fine.

Anyway....the reality is that we are ALL called to help people grow in faith and knowledge of the Lord. What exactly that would look like for each of us as individuals is our personal responsibility to seek God about and obey the leading of The Holy Spirit.

God talks to us girls, too. Some of you dudes might not believe that, but that's because you're shouting too loud to hear Him.

It sounds like the Lord has got you doing some great work with the youth group.
I love seeing Gods special gifts working in people 🥰

Sadly people will always use their status and not just in the church. You just have to remember you are as good as the rest. Jesus Christ loves YOU 🥰

Has the pastor appointed these other people due to safeguarding? The world has gone safeguarding mad 😜

Thank you Sis! I love those kids. The group has almost tripled in regular attendance since I started helping a year ago, the youth are witnessing to their friends and seeking God's will for their lives. We've had multiple re-dedications and 3 members are headed for the mission field this Fall. I'm so proud of them I can't even say . Definitely not taking any credit though, I know it's all God and a lot of different people had a hand in that. Just saying that God is working, despite the involvement of a female lol . And really, even though I don't have or want an official title, I am still accountable to God for what I say or don't say while I am helping out. Following God's leading to help the kids grow is just as much my responsibility as it is the youth pastor's in my opinion.

And yeah, the pastor at my old church was probably just safeguarding. There were other issues at that church but I like the one I'm at now. The official leadership is all male, but they have made it clear that they want to know if anyone (male or female) feels led to do something, and in my case they have always approved and supported what I felt God was saying. So I'm happy with that as I don't care about titles and such.

I think it's amazing how so many young people are getting to know Christ and you are a part of that 🥰
You keep doing the work God has put on your heart to do.
I was starting to loss hope working with teenagers but hearing what God is doing for your youth group has helped thanks 🥰

I think women can take part in church just as men can, sharing the gospel and talking about things as they like, just as a man could, but unless I'm mistaken somehow Paul is saying that he doesn't permit a woman to teach or to "usurp authority over the man". It seems to me that in church certain things are the responsibility of men and not women and he gives his reasoning as to why. I don't know how you could read it any other way.

There is no need to twist Scripture to understand as I do. There is, however, a need to understand the context and to interpret the passage within that context rather than treating the text like it stands on its own.

If you honestly think that Paul (and, by extension, God Himself) is saying that all women were deceived when Eve was deceived, then I challenge you to explain why, in Romans 16, Paul praised so many women. They must have spoken in the Church to earn the praise Paul gives. Further, he praises Prisca (Priscilla) specifically as a teacher.

So, instead of sniping at me because I believe something different than you do, do your homework and come to a conclusion that makes sense of ALL relevant passages.

But you just quoted Paul as saying, "I do not permit a woman to teach... but to be in silence."

Which is it? Silence, or teaching?

Do you see how your interpretation is self-refuting?

I'm not sure why you are supporting the deception of women by egocentric men . Was this post intended to be satirical?

You're not demonstrating my point, are you?

But no woman is allowed to teach Christians.

and women still need to remain silent before the Church. They can speak to children outside of the Church. Now the Church doesn't mean building, I know most people think the Church is some grand old building. But it's actually a body of believers.