Predestination is misunderstood...

The teachings of Arminius were actually not too different from TULIP (in certain aspects). People generally (and erroneously believe) that those five articles of Remonstrance teach loss of salvation as a firm belief. But the actual wording is different:
...But whether they are capable, through negligence, of forsaking again the first beginning of their life in Christ, of again returning to this present evil world, of turning away from the holy doctrine which was delivered them, of losing a good conscience, of neglecting grace, that must be more particularly determined out of the Holy Scripture, before we ourselves can teach it with the full confidence of our mind."

The question remains then, when are we saved. Is it after we respond to the gospel message, by repenting of our sin and putting our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Arminian Churches teach. Or is it at the time God wrote our names in His book, as Calvinist Churches teach.

Romans 9:10-13 should confirm the Calvinist position. It clearly states that God hates some who haven't been born yet and likewise loves some who haven't been born.

And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

There are around 100 other verses which confirm the same bible doctrine.

I don't see how you can sit on the fence when faced with the question of how one is saved. That question has divided the Church into two main camps. One (Arminianism man centered works based) teaches that we are saved by obeying the gospel by responding to it with repentance and faith.

The other (Calvinism teaches a God centered grace based salvation) not by works. We believe God choses us and Armenians believe they choose God. There's no valid position whereby we can reject both views, as there's no Bible doctrine to support such a position. You would need to show where the Bible verses which say that a man can be saved on his own terms.

So you lean on your own understanding to interpret the Bible, while God has appointed Sheppard's to interpret the scriptures for us Sheep.

Why wouldn't you take advantage of the interpretations of highly educated theologians. Private Bible study's are not recommended by most Churches, it's best to study in a group with at least a few elders to guide us.

God doesn't give everyone the gift of discernment, to interpret the scriptures. He gives that gift to those He appoints to be Shepherds. Private interpretation is like taking the law into your own hands.

The Bible is packed with deep theology, it's not possible to understand it correctly if we read it like an ordinary book. It takes many years of diligent study to become a Shepherd, who is equipped to teach others.

You have argued a person cannot be persuaded of the Gospel without Divine intervention, so for you it means inability to hear the Gospel and respond, that has been your argument from what I have read.

I have no desire to hash Augustine and Thomas Aquinas and what are the consequences of the loss of fellowship in the Garden of Eden.

Please answer my question, it is a fair question based on your position that all are condemned unless God acts, do preborn babies and babies who die go to eternal condemnation?

to hear the gospel the eyes of the heart have to be opened 😊

Who opens them bro

PST I come from the land of thunder.

Can Ya hear the thunder

Ya better run an take cover 😋

Dear Thunderr-mental, simple stated "non e vero"

God does not pick and choose arbitrarily.

Again you misstate my position, even after I went to some length to explain it. People can be persuaded of the truth of the gospel, recognize they are sinners, and even experience an earthly sorrow as a result of a convicting conscience. None of that will result in them being born again. That alone is the work of God. Giving hearing is but one aspect of the work of the Spirit in genuine salvation.
This is why I took the time to answer as I did with your last post. You aren't truly interested in understanding, you believe the answer to your question will allow you to dismiss my argument and give assent to yours. But you could do that without my answer. So something is sticking in your craw. Perhaps that's why you didn't care for the foundation I laid.
But as I like getting answers to my questions and will know your true intentions by your response, I'll answer your question...both what is actually asked and what you intended in the question. I have no way of knowing whether babies in the womb who die are saved or not. No one knows. I believe God can save anyone anywhere anytime. I personally believe John the Baptist was saved in the womb. But even children in the womb must be born from above to see the kingdom of God. There is no exception. You must be born again. And this requires the activity of God.
How this transpires I do not know. Does it happen for some? All? None? Don't know.

It’s always Jesus who saves us.

Not at all, it was said the same way.

Adam sinned, God comes in like He doesn't know and asks questions.

Cain sins and God comes in like He doesn't know and asks questions.

If anything, it proves God is the SAME all of the time.

But the ones who will worship the Beast when the Beast appears is for the "future." That has not happened yet. Since it has not happened, we have what God said, 33 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.

If God looked out and saw nothing before Him.
Then He decided to create a universe with planets and ultimately earth with life forms.
He knows what is going to happen before it ever happens.
The Bible said God sets everything into motion.
That means He begins it and knows its every move till the end and it's impossible for us to ever know what He did.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in its time; also He hath set the world in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.

Regeneration begins while we are hearing the Gospel being preached.

44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.

1. We hear the Gospel
2. Holy Spirit falls on us
3. Regeneration begins

Paul wrote it this way

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

1. We hear the Gospel
2. We Believed
3. We were Sealed by the Holy Spirit

Not trading insults...

You come here with errors left and right, and demand to be accepted with respect.

You are just an attention seeking disruptor.

That's all you are doing....

First..

Is God's nature revealed in the Bible?

Is He omniscient?
Is He all powerful?

Is He eternal, having no beginning nor end?

Atheistic heresy!

And a perfect example of your need to learn proper English grammar.

It was illogical? To tell Abraham who was a 99 years old, and Sarah who was almost 90, that they were going to have a child?
Abraham believed it.... by faith.

FAITH... bridges the gap between God and man.
Can God be trusted when He is not understood?
Faith says, 'yes' if one senses the character of God.

God will remain illogical and incomprehensible to those who only see God as some super human being.
Illogical to those who mentally keep positioning themselves into His position, and then trying to picture how God does things.

God's abilities are illogical to the finite mind, because they are incomprehensible to our comparatively speck of dust mentality.

Be humble. That is step one.

The real question to be asked...

Can God who is beyond our comprehension be trusted?

He wants to cause us in time through gaining knowledge to understand Him by grace.
He does not simply demand that we do.

wow So God being in control is heresy now, oh ok if you say so.

You really don't understand written English, do you?