Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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brightfame52

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FollowerofShiloh said:
I don't care what you say. IF it "does not align with the specific Greek words" that John used then you are wrong.
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The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is saved, Jesus is their Advocate before God, He has took away Gods wrath on them
 
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brightfame52 said:
The whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is saved, Jesus is their Advocate before God, He has took away Gods wrath on them
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What is a person called that changes the meanings to words when we have the true meanings?

A liar?
A deceiver?
A manipulator?

Whatever it is it DOES NOT represent God!

We have the true meaning to John's words so STOP trying to change them!
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I don't care what you say. IF it "does not align with the specific Greek words" that John used then you are wrong.
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No verse stands on its own - it must be compared to the spiritual of other like verses to correctly understand it.
You are just perceiving the one verse to be complete within itself, which it is not, and thereby, you violate the rule of 2 Pe 1:20.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 
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rogerg said:
No verse stands on its own - it must be compared to the spiritual of other like verses to correctly understand it.
You are just perceiving the one verse to be complete within itself, which it is not, and thereby, you violate the rule of 2 Pe 1:20.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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That means since we know what John's words literally and factually mean, that when Jesus uses the word world, Paul, Peter they all mean the same as John does.

John is the Beloved Apostle and escaped a martyrs death for a reason. We should listen to John and believe whole heartedly.
 
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Thumbs down?

If you call God a liar in one part of the Bible you might as well call Him a liar in every part. It all has the same meaning. It all matches John.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
What is a person called that changes the meanings to words when we have the true meanings?

A liar?
A deceiver?
A manipulator?

Whatever it is it DOES NOT represent God!

We have the true meaning to John's words so STOP trying to change them!
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So you dont believe Jesus is the advocate for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:1-2 ?
 
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brightfame52 said:
Are you saved by obeying commandments or stay saved by obeying commandments ?
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Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
 
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MerSee said:
Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
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I think the question only required a simple YES/NO answer.
 
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brightfame52 said:
So you dont believe Jesus is the advocate for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:1-2 ?
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John is saying when Jesus died, He died for all humans. The Elect and non-elect. He specifically used the words the whole kosmos that means ALL creation.
 
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MerSee said:
Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
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Are you saved by obeying commandments or stay saved by obeying commandments ?
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
John is saying when Jesus died, He died for all humans. The Elect and non-elect. He specifically used the words the whole kosmos that means ALL creation.
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So you dont believe Jesus is the advocate for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:1-2 ? And what is an Advocate ?
 
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brightfame52 said:
So you dont believe Jesus is the advocate for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:1-2 ? And what is an Advocate ?
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Jesus is the only way any person in the world can get to the Father. He died and paid the price for what John said is (the whole kosmos/ All of creation).
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Thumbs down?

If you call God a liar in one part of the Bible you might as well call Him a liar in every part. It all has the same meaning. It all matches John.
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No, not God, whether you realize you're doing it or not, it is you,
 
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brightfame52 said:
Are you saved by obeying commandments or stay saved by obeying commandments ?
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Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.
 
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