Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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rogerg

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A person who does not obey Jesus Christ is not holy and without blame.
Nobody obeys perfectly but neither is that a requirement for salvation - we are saved by what Christ did, not by what we do:

[Rom 7:20-25 KJV]
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 

MerSee

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Nobody obeys perfectly but neither is that a requirement for salvation - we are saved by what Christ did, not by what we do:

[Rom 7:20-25 KJV]
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Can you name a New Testament commandment/commandments from God which you believe are no longer binding on anyone?
 

MerSee

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Nobody obeys perfectly but neither is that a requirement for salvation - we are saved by what Christ did, not by what we do:

[Rom 7:20-25 KJV]
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
 

MerSee

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For those saved the law of works.
Do you believe all New Testament commandment/commandments from God are binding on everyone or do you believe they are mere suggestions?
 

rogerg

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James 2:17
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
That is Christ's works, not man's - so being both Christ's faith and Christ's works. He is the Saviour, we are not.
The "a man" following (v18), represents Christ.
 

MerSee

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That is Christ's works, not man's - so being both Christ's faith and Christ's works. He is the Saviour, we are not.
The "a man" following, represents Christ.
Jesus Christ doesn't do our work for us. Too bad for you.
 

rogerg

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Jesus Christ doesn't do our work for us. Too bad for you.
If He didn't then no one has been saved and we must save ourselves, making Him not the Saviour - but He is the Saviour
so all requirements for salvation have been fully satisfied by Him
 

MerSee

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If He didn't then no one has been saved and we must save ourselves, making Him not the Saviour - but He is the Saviour
so all requirements for salvation have been fully satisfied by Him
Too bad for you.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them.

Your anti-works follow you.
 

rogerg

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Now that you are finally agreeing that all New Testament commandments from God are binding on everyone, you have to obey God, OR ELSE!
I did not agree with that. Don't misstate what I've said. No one can be saved by their works - no one.
In fact, because of your mis-statement, I'm done conversing with you.
 

BillyBob

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Jesus Christ doesn't do our work for us. Too bad for you.
Just because we are saved does not mean that we no longer sin! Christ has died for thousands and thousands of sin which are yet to be done. We are a work in progress, being perfected daily. We will not be perfected until the day of glorification. Yes we morn when we sin and pray for strength to overcome our weakness. If any man says he no longer sins – he is a liar!
 

MerSee

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I did not agree with that. Don't misstate what I've said. No one can be saved by their works - no one.
In fact, because of your mis-statement, I'm done conversing with you.
Do you believe all New Testament commandments from God are binding on everyone or do you believe they are mere suggestions?
 

MerSee

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Just because we are saved does not mean that we no longer sin! Christ has died for thousands and thousands of sin which are yet to be done. We are a work in progress, being perfected daily. We will not be perfected until the day of glorification. Yes we morn when we sin and pray for strength to overcome our weakness. If any man says he no longer sins – he is a liar!
Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?