The church, Paul agrees, Post Tribulation.

Can you repost this the right way please?
If I answer, it will just continue to cascade as a messed up post.
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...but Jesus said after the tribulation they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds.

Agreed. Once again we are seeing a failure to rightly divide the promises to Israel from the promises to the body of Christ. I believe Israel will be caught up post-trib, but the body of Christ will be caught up before Jacob's trouble.

I do beg your pardon.

you could simply answer who comes first Antichrist or our Lord Jesus?

And who are the "they"? Are they not the unbelieving and unrighteous who will weep and wail at His Second Coming? Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7) So do you see the saints weeping and wailing because Christ is coming for them? Or do you see the absurdity of connecting the Rapture with this?

There's only two advents.

I don't think so for the same passage says He will send His holy angels out to gather His elect ....

No need to beg. You are hereby granted forgiveness!


Sure.

Jesus meets His Church, and those that had died in Him, in the air 1st.

They will be with Him (NOT on Earth) until 7 or possibly just the 3.5 yrs of Great Tribulation are finished.

So the antichrist will arrive FIRST on Earth before Jesus comes back to EARTH.

And once again, when Christ comes at the Rapture He comes PERSONALLY. He does not send out His angels at that time. Check it out for yourself. So now you have created TWO problems for yourself.

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umm no don't buy it. Antichrist is destroyed by the brightness of His appearing.

Matt. 24 9. Jesus says "they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death and you will be hated of all nations for My name's sake ..."

Well I ain’t selling Scripture!
Just quoting it.

Ummmm…. Who said we wouldn’t go through tribulations? We will absolutely experience man’s wrath.

But why in Eath would we experience God’s wrath!?

oh never God's wrath, we are totally agreed on that.

Ummmm…. Who said we wouldn’t go through tribulations?

Besides all that, we have to be outta here BEFORE the Antichrist seats his butt in the temple of God.

And once again, when Christ comes at the Rapture He comes PERSONALLY. He does not send out His angels at that time. Check it out for yourself.

Besides all that, we have to be outta here BEFORE the Antichrist seats his butt in the temple of God.

Else Jesus’s Word is void.

Jesus said NO ONE knows the day or hour of His return.

Once the AC sits in the temple, there will be 3.5 years until Christ comes back. (See Daniel)

So if we are still here, every Christian will know when Jesus will return.

Kinda airtight case for at most a mid trib rapture if not a pre trib.

I don't think so for the same passage says He will send His holy angels out to gather His elect ....

Paul, in his first letter to the Thessalonians, said that "the Day of the Lord" ARRIVES "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that comes upon a woman (the very SAME word that Jesus used in the plural when referencing the "PANGS" ['beginning of'])... which is what Jesus had already talked about in Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 "A CERTAIN ONE [(bringing deception); 'A CERTAIN ONE [G5100 - tis]'] (which is the FIRST/INITIAL one of THOSE "birth pangS" Jesus spoke of).

How you had written it (in past posts) is that Paul was saying "birth PANGS [PLURAL]," but he actually said "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (1Th5:1-3, where speaking of the Day of the Lord's ARRIVAL point in time). IOW, it does NOT commence at the MIDDLE or END of the Trib years, but at its START.


Once this is acknowledged (from the text itself), one can then place things in their proper time-slot [/chronology].



Many people mistake this, thus come to incorrect conclusions as to Paul's actual point(s).

I don't think so for the same passage says He will send His holy angels out to gather His elect ....

Contradictory to jesus's words matthew twenty four thirty moving on