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Anyone who claimed that Jesus did not fulfill every single requirement of the law and the prophets.
Would be very deceived, especially given that Jesus fulfilled everything and at all levels. Perfection!
Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of the entire Mosaic law, in person. The Divine creator of the law.
Jesus submitted the perfect sacrifice after living a perfect life under the law.
To hint that Jesus did not fulfill the law and the prophets would be blasphemy.
Jesus not only fulfilled the entire law but fulfilled the law for eternity.
Jesus was the only one who could perfectly fulfill the ten commandments.
The Greek word for "jot" is "ἰῶτα" (iōta), referring to the smallest letter in the Greek alphabet.
The term "tittle" in Greek is "κεραία" (keraia), representing a small stroke or mark in writing.

Hebrew Context:
The verse alludes to the permanence and enduring nature of God's Law, emphasizing that not even the smallest details will pass away until all is fulfilled.
The reference to "jot" and "tittle" underscores the meticulous preservation of God's Law without any alteration.


Jesus affirms that He has not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it completely.
The statement highlights the continuity and validity of God's Law until its ultimate fulfillment.
The emphasis on the permanence of the Law underscores its enduring significance and relevance until all prophecies and promises are realized.

The verse underscores Jesus' role as the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies and promises, ensuring the preservation and completion of God's Law.
It signifies the meticulous attention to detail in preserving every aspect of God's commands until their ultimate fulfillment in Christ.
 

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It's a very strange idealism behind if I seek forgiveness then I get my rewards, but if I do not I still get Heaven.

So, it's not God I am truly "sorry" for sinning. It has become I am merely asking for forgiveness to get my rewards. I wonder how God views that?
 

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Jesus walked in divine love for humanity. Jesus arrived to fulfill the law in it's entirety. Crowned with a perfect sacrifice for your sin, deeds of the flesh, imperfection.

The New Testament reduces to just two words.

FAITH AND LOVE.

If you mention anything else then you have been deceived.

I asked ChatGPT, can the New Testament be summarized by faith and love?

Can two words summarize the New Testament, faith and love?

Here is the reply.

ChatGPT

Yes, summarizing the New Testament with two key words could indeed be "faith" and "love." These two concepts are foundational to the teachings and themes found throughout the New Testament.
  1. Faith:
    • The New Testament consistently emphasizes the significance of faith in Jesus Christ as the means of salvation. Faith is portrayed as trust, belief, and reliance on God's grace and the redemptive work of Christ.
    • Verses like Ephesians 2:8-9 highlight the centrality of faith: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
  2. Love:
    • Love is a pervasive theme in the New Testament, reflecting God's love for humanity and the call for believers to love God and one another.
    • The command to love is encapsulated in passages like Matthew 22:37-39, where Jesus says, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind...You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
    • The Apostle Paul emphasizes the importance of love in 1 Corinthians 13, often referred to as the "love chapter."
Together, faith and love capture the essence of the New Testament's message of salvation through faith in Christ and the transformation of individuals and communities through the love of God and neighbor.

Not bad for an intelligent machine.
This the same answer from google’s Gemini.

While Faith and Works are Significant Themes, the New Testament Remains Multifaceted
While faith and works undoubtedly constitute significant themes in the New Testament, positing them as a sole summary of this complex collection of texts proves insufficient. Here's why:
  1. Inherent Complexity: The New Testament encompasses a diverse array of writings, including Gospels, epistles, and apocalyptic literature, each with distinct purposes and perspectives. Reducing such richness and complexity to a mere binary of 'faith and works' would be a significant oversimplification.
  2. Central Theme Precedence: The central theme of the New Testament revolves around the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, understood as the culmination of God's redemptive plan for humanity. Faith and works, while crucial, play supporting roles in comprehending this central message.
  3. Nuanced Interplay: The relationship between faith and works is not a straightforward equation. Various New Testament authors, such as Paul and James, approach this relationship with subtle distinctions in emphasis. Reconciling these interpretations is essential for a holistic understanding.
Therefore, while faith and works undeniably hold weight in the New Testament, a more comprehensive grasp necessitates acknowledging the broader thematic tapestry and intricate nature of the various writings within this sacred text.
 

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Interesting! I speak of what you and nobody else can do, and you talk as if I'm speaking about what you actually can do. Whatever fantasy you maintain about keeping the Sabbath? Is just that. Nobody keeps the Sabbath according to how it was to be kept. And nobody can! Pity this FACT escapes you.
Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

If sabbath day observance is still required today, then so would the burnt offerings that went along with them. (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do: 2. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3. You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” The congregation of THE SONS OF ISRAEL, God said to them.

If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the Lord commanded in regard to it? If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that today? The Jewish synagogue or perhaps the SDA church?

Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant of law, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
 

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All of us have. So none of us is actually fulfilling Romans at all.
Study Romans in Koine Greek and note the Aorist's and Imperatives-Verbs and Subjunctive Clauses-and walking in the Spirit-a radical rethink should suffice-since Hamartia is the norm for Westerners.Also note the emphatic Negatives.
I am more interested with brothers and sisters walking their talk-and not talking their walk.
J.
 

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I am more interested with brothers and sisters walking their talk-and not talking their walk.
J.
On Thursday evenings I have a group of Christians who were once addicts, in trouble with the law, and just some people who never had those struggles or were never caught. In that group we use a "program" called Navigate. We take a verse from the Bible and apply 3 questions to it. We get into small groups and ask, how did this issue begin? How has this issue affected your life? How has understanding this now allow you to improve upon your life?
Bottom line is it's all about honesty.

The moment I read the portion of your post that I have quoted my first thought was, You are more interested in someone's honesty, not the hot air they tend to use around other Christians to act like they're so holy.
 

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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
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SABBATH (Heb. shabbāt, “repose,” i.e., “cessation” from exertion; Gk. sabbaton). The
name Sabbath is applied to various great festivals but principally and usually to the seventh
day of the week, the strict observance of which is enforced not merely in the general Mosaic
code but also in the Ten Commandments.

Origin. The account of the creation states that God “rested on the seventh day” (Gen.
2:2). The assertion that the Sabbath rest was a Babylonian as well as a Hebrew institution and
the inference that the Hebrews may have borrowed the idea from the Babylonians requires
some ingenuity to demonstrate. By way of answer the following should be noted: (1) The
Babylonians paid special attention to the nineteenth day as well as those that were multiples
of seven; they called only the fifteenth day shabatum. (2) The Babylonian tablets call the
seventh day “an evil day” or “an unlucky day,” whereas Scripture describes it as “a holy
day.” (3) The Babylonians placed prohibitions only on the “king,” “seer,” and “the
physician,” whereas the OT makes the Sabbath binding on all. (4) There was no cessation of
business activity on Babylonian special days. (5) Though Babylonians had special regard for
days that were multiples of seven, those days rarely ever fell on the seventh day of the week
in their lunar calendar and thus were not equivalent to he Hebrew Sabbath.
Jewish Sabbath. The Jewish Sabbath was distinctive and was treated at length in the
Bible.

Origin. The Sabbath was of divine institution and is so declared in passages where
ceasing to create is called “resting” (Gen. 2:3; Ex. 20:11; 31:17). The blessing and
sanctifying of the seventh day have regard, no doubt, to the Sabbath, which Israel, as the
people of God, was afterward to keep; but we are not to suppose that the theocratic (Jewish)
Sabbath was thus early instituted. The Sabbath was instituted by Moses. It is in Ex. 16:23–29
that we find the first indisputable institution of the day, as one given to and to be kept by the
children of Israel. Shortly afterward it was reenacted in the fourth commandment. Many of
the rabbis date its first institution from the incident recorded in Ex. 15:25. This, however,

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seems to lack foundation. We are not on sure ground until we come to the unmistakable
institution in chap. 16, in connection with the gathering of manna. The opinion of Grotius is
probably correct, that the day was already known, and in some measure observed as holy, but
that the rule of abstinence from work was first given then, and shortly afterward more
explicitly imposed in the fourth commandment.

Purpose. The Sabbath was a means of binding together more closely the chosen people
and keeping them apart from the rest of mankind. Two reasons are given for its observance in
Israel—God’s resting on the seventh day of creation (Ex. 20:8–11; 31:16–17) and Israel’s
having been a “slave in the land of Egypt” and having been brought “out of there by a mighty
hand and by an outstretched arm” (Deut. 5:15). “These are not the subjects of Sabbath
celebration; indeed, the Sabbath has no one event as the subject of its observance, but is only
the day which Israel is called to sanctify to the Lord its God, because God blessed and
hallowed the day at the creation by resting on it. The completion of creation, the rest of God,
is His blessedness in the contemplation of the finished work, the satisfaction of God in His
work, which overflows in blessing upon His creatures. This blessedness was lost to the world
through the Fall, but not forever, for, through redemption, divine mercy will restore it. The
rest of God is the goal which the whole creation is destined to reach. To guide to this goal,
the Sabbath was enjoined by way of compensation for the losses which accrue to man under
the curse of sin, from that heavy, oppressive labor which draws him from God. Thus the
Sabbath was hallowed, i.e., separated from other days of the week to be a holy day for man,
by putting the blessing of his rest on the rest of this day. The return of this blessed and
hallowed day is to be to him a perpetual reminder and enjoyment of the divine rest. This
significance of the Sabbath explains why its keeping through all future generations of Israel is
called a perpetual covenant and a sign between Jehovah and the children of Israel forever
(Ex. 31:17)” (Keil, Arch., 2:2ff.).

Observance. According to Mosaic law the Sabbath was observed: (1) By cessation from
labor (Ex. 20:10). The idea of work is not more precisely defined in the law, except that the
kindling of fire for cooking is expressly forbidden (35:3), and the gathering of wood is treated
as a transgression (Num. 15:32–36); wherefore it is evident that work, in its widest sense, was
to cease. “Accordingly, it was quite in keeping with the law when not only labor, such as
burden-bearing (Jer. 17:21–27), but traveling, as forbidden by Ex. 16:29, and trading (Amos
8:5) were to cease on the Sabbath, and when Nehemiah, to prevent marketing on this day,
ordered the closing of the gates” (Neh. 10:31; 13:15, 19). (2) By a holy assembly, the
doubling of the daily offering by two lambs of the first year, with the corresponding meat and
drink offerings (Num. 28:9–10) and the providing of new bread of the Presence in the Holy
Place (Lev. 24:8). Thus the Sabbath was to Israel a “day of … gladness” (Num. 10:10; cf.
Hos. 2:11), “a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable” (Isa. 58:13).

From such passages
it will appear that the essence of Sabbath observance is placed in the most unconditional and
all-embracing self-denial, the renunciation of the whole natural being and natural desires, the
most unconditional dedication to God (see Isa. 56:2; Ezek. 20:12, 21). The object of this
cessation from labor and coming together in holy convocation was to give man an
opportunity to engage in such mental and spiritual exercises as would tend to the quickening
of soul and spirit and the strengthening of spiritual life. In this higher sense it is evident that
our Lord meant that “the Sabbath was made for man” (Mark 2:27).

Reward. According to Ezekiel (20:12, 20) the Sabbath was to be a sign between Jehovah
and Israel, “that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.” That is, “that
Jehovah was sanctifying them—viz., by the Sabbath rest—as a refreshing and elevation of

Keil, Johann Karl Friedrich Keil, Manual of Biblical Archaeology (1888)
the mind, in which Israel was to have a foretaste of that blessed resting from all works to
which the people of God was ultimately to attain” (Keil, Com., ad loc.). The penalty of
defiling the Sabbath was death (Ex. 31:15; cf. Num. 15:32–36). But if the law of the Sabbath
was broken through ignorance or mistake, pardon was extended after the presentation of a sin
offering. At times the Jews dispensed with the extreme severity of the law (Isa. 56:2; Ezek.
20:16; 22:8; Lam. 2:6; Neh. 13:16); indeed, the legal observance of the Sabbath seems never
to have been rigorously enforced until after the Exile. See Lord’s Day; Sunday; Synagogue.
Typology. The Sabbath commemorates God’s creation rest. It marks a finished creation.
After Sinai it was a day of legal obligation. The Sabbath is mentioned often in the book of
Acts in connection with the Jews. In the rest of the NT it occurs but twice (Col. 2:16; Heb.
4:4). In these passages the Sabbath is set forth not as a day to be observed but as typical of
the present rest into which the believer entered when he “also rested [ceased] from his works”
(v. 10) and trusted Christ

Unger.
 

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On Thursday evenings I have a group of Christians who were once addicts, in trouble with the law, and just some people who never had those struggles or were never caught. In that group we use a "program" called Navigate. We take a verse from the Bible and apply 3 questions to it. We get into small groups and ask, how did this issue begin? How has this issue affected your life? How has understanding this now allow you to improve upon your life?
Bottom line is it's all about honesty.

The moment I read the portion of your post that I have quoted my first thought was, You are more interested in someone's honesty, not the hot air they tend to use around other Christians to act like they're so holy.
I perceive you have discernment-well done.
J.
 

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I perceive you have discernment-well done.
J.
Thank You!

When we are honest to one another, we are honest with God. I've seen more miracles happen to honest people than those who try and hide the past or current struggles. My own breakthroughs took place the moment I became honest about why I did what I did, how that wrecked my life, and how I see a difference after accepting God's invitation to be His.
 

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Thank You!

When we are honest to one another, we are honest with God. I've seen more miracles happen to honest people than those who try and hide the past or current struggles. My own breakthroughs took place the moment I became honest about why I did what I did, how that wrecked my life, and how I see a difference after accepting God's invitation to be His.
You're welcome.
Believers eis/into Christ Jesus should not live a style of life habitually practicing sinning-or live in a STATE of never ending sin-that should never be the norm.
And to be frank-I don't think online is a place to "confess the occasionally ACTS of sin"
Shalom
J.
 

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Thank You!

When we are honest to one another, we are honest with God. I've seen more miracles happen to honest people than those who try and hide the past or current struggles. My own breakthroughs took place the moment I became honest about why I did what I did, how that wrecked my life, and how I see a difference after accepting God's invitation to be His.
Amen! It's a main and plain reason why AA has been so successful, and the hundreds of spin-off
programs that came out of it. We have had people here claiming it is of the devil, even though
God is central to the program itself, and the steps are solidly based on Scriptural principles.
 

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You're welcome.
Believers eis/into Christ Jesus should not live a style of life habitually practicing sinning-or live in a STATE of never ending sin-that should never be the norm.
Agreed 100%
And to be frank-I don't think online is a place to "confess the occasionally ACTS of sin"
Shalom
J.
That's why the group gathers in the Church and we separate into small groups. Always face to face admission. When you can be honest with eyes staring at you, it's much easier to always be honest with yourself and to God.
 

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Amen! It's a main and plain reason why AA has been so successful, and the hundreds of spin-off
programs that came out of it. We have had people here claiming it is of the devil, even though
God is central to the program itself, and the steps are solidly based on Scriptural principles.
I believe "AA" is a wonderful program. And you're correct about other programs using the same personal practices. Navigate is simply another "AA" but using the Bible and among Christians.
 

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Who has not sinned today?
We have people here pretending we are to walk like Jesus did. One must wonder if that includes
healing the sick, curing the lepers, giving sight to the blind, making mutes able to speak, raising
the dead, calming violent storms, walking on water, etc etc. Do all He commanded, they say.
He said, "Go and sin no more." Do they consider themselves sinless? What need of Jesus in that
case? Do you suppose they think they circumcised their own hearts? I have asked before, but...
 

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Agreed 100%

That's why the group gathers in the Church and we separate into small groups. Always face to face admission. When you can be honest with eyes staring at you, it's much easier to always be honest with yourself and to God.
I am not into Pentecostalism-I can go directly to our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach-

CONFESSION of Jesus (see also erring members)::Romans 10:9,10; Matthew 10:32; 16:15-18; John 1:49; 4:42; 9:35-38; 11:27; 12:42,43; Acts 8:36-38; 1 Timothy 6:12,13; 1 John 4:15::


Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 

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We have people here pretending we are to walk like Jesus did. One must wonder if that includes
healing the sick, curing the lepers, giving sight to the blind, making mutes able to speak, raising
the dead, calming violent storms, walking on water, etc etc. Do all He commanded, they say.
He said, "Go and sin no more." Do they consider themselves sinless? What need of Jesus in that
case? Do you suppose they think they circumcised their own hearts? I have asked before, but...
I can't even guarantee when I go to sleep tonight that I will wake up. I can't even work the miracles that I have seen when the situation was out of my control to do something about it. I can't even make it one day without sinning and needing to repent. I am trying to think of what I can control other than I can decide to serve God. Whoever these people are you speak about, you would think if they had all that they claim that sickness would disappear, wars would end, death would stop, miracles would be recorded hourly on television. But I see none of that happening.
 

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I am not into Pentecostalism-I can go directly to our Lord Yeshua HaMashiach-

CONFESSION of Jesus (see also erring members)::Romans 10:9,10; Matthew 10:32; 16:15-18; John 1:49; 4:42; 9:35-38; 11:27; 12:42,43; Acts 8:36-38; 1 Timothy 6:12,13; 1 John 4:15::


Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I don't think anyone needs to be any type of denomination to follow the words of God. If we have a Bible and believe what is written and live according to it we are of God. I much rather be a part of God than denomination.
 

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I don't think anyone needs to be any type of denomination to follow the words of God. If we have a Bible and believe what is written and live according to it we are of God. I much rather be a part of God than denomination.
There are more than 45,000 Christian denominations globally according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity

. Other sources suggest slightly lower figures, such as 33,089 Christian denominations

or 30,000 to 40,000 depending on the criteria used for defining a denomination


Keep in mind that these figures pertain specifically to Christian denominations and not to religions as a whole.


1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
J.
 

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There are more than 45,000 Christian denominations globally according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity

. Other sources suggest slightly lower figures, such as 33,089 Christian denominations

or 30,000 to 40,000 depending on the criteria used for defining a denomination


Keep in mind that these figures pertain specifically to Christian denominations and not to religions as a whole.


1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
J.
If I present a verse from the Bible and have 20 people read it. The chances of us all agreeing to the "same meaning" is about the same as my chances to win the lottery. And this is basically has what caused such division. Even in Jesus' day there was zealots, pharisees, sadducees, scribes, etc. They had the same scrolls but not everyone saw it the same. And I think denomination is based upon a persons own understanding. They find a group of people who see's the meanings the same. So I do not think denominations are the issue in regards to people going somewhere they understand. But I do think denominations are dangerous when they believe their views are more correct than another's.

Even Jesus did not say, stop being a pharisee, sadducees, scribe, zealot, etc. He knew how humans are and how it's literally impossible for us all to see everything the same. He destroyed the efforts when people were speaking 1 Language at the Tower of Babel. He separated humans into groups in Deuteronomy. So He knows we can "never" see something the same way.

But what Jesus does want from all these groups and denominations is to "Believe Who He says He is and to Believe that He is the (only way) to the Father."
 
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