Predestination is misunderstood...

Encouraging people to think of disabled people as trolls is not something I have ever heard any Christian say,

Then to demand that I answer your questions on whether a disabled person can be a troll.

perish. Gr. apollumi, +Mat_2:13, Here Calvinists attempt to circumvent the truth that God is not willing that any person should perish (cf. 1Ti_2:4 and note).

They claim that He is not willing that any of the "elect" perish, but that, implicitly, He is willing that all of the "unelect" masses perish. But the construction not willing, mē boulomenos, is a conditional statement. When mē, not, is used with a participle, as here, it expresses a condition and cannot apply to an "elect" group that is irresistibly and unconditionally saved. Further, all conceivable men translates the force of pantas (masculine gender), without the article.

The facts of Scripture are that there is no place whatsoever for limited atonement (cf. Joh_3:16; 2Co_5:14; Heb_2:9; 1Jn_2:2 and notes);

Calvinistic predestination (cf. Rom_8:29; Eph_1:4 and notes); irresistible grace (cf. Tit_2:11-12; Tit_2:14 and notes); unconditional security (cf. 1Pe_2:21 and note); etc. (LNT, fn b). Job_33:18, +Joh_10:29.
but that all. or, but for all conceivable men (LNT). All conceivable men translates the force of pantas (masculine gender) without the article (LNT, fn b). **FS171B, +Gen_24:10, +*Psa_86:5, Joh_1:7, **Joh_3:16, **Rom_2:4; +*Rom_5:18; *Rom_11:32, +*1Ti_2:4, *Heb_2:9, %**Rev_2:21; %**Rev_17:8.
should come. or, go and be received to repentance: the Greek implies there is room for their being received to repentance (compare Greek, Mar_2:2; Joh_8:37) [JFB]. Gr. chōreō (S# G5562, 2Co_7:2), to be in (give) space, that is, (intransitively) to hold, (literally or figuratively) admit (Strong); move on or advance to (Vincent). 2Ki_17:13, Psa_94:15, Eze_18:23; Eze_33:11, *Mat_11:28-30; Mat_20:16, Joh_1:12; Joh_3:16-20; **Joh_6:37; **Joh_6:65, %+*Act_18:27, Eph_1:4, Php_1:29, *2Th_2:13, +*1Ti_2:4, +*Jas_2:5, Rev_17:14; Rev_22:17.
to repentance. Gr. metanoia (S# G3341, Mat_3:8). 2Ki_17:13, Jer_8:6, Eze_18:32, +*Mat_3:2; Mat_9:13; Mat_21:31, Luk_5:32, +*Act_3:19.

Christ's death was efficacious for PANTAS-NOT a select "elect"
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You are being stubborn and blind. I didn’t start the discussion on disabled people being trolls, and I didn’t demand that you answer any questions on the subject. Again, check who wrote what before responding.

this depends on what one believes about Christ's atonement, whether one believes the Lord Jesus died to really save, or make mankind savable. what do you believe the Atonement actually accomplished?

i believe it was a real atonement. sufficient for pantas, efficacious for some.

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high (Heb 1:3, KJV just for you )

when were your sins purged? when you believed, or when He died?

Thats a good question.

Where my sins purged at the cross.. Or at Belief.

I think if we look at it. All sins were purged at the cross. as Jesus said, ALL (every) sin and blasphemy WILL be forgiven men,

But there is a sin that is not forgiven, And as he warned the pharisees, They were in danger of committing that sin

one must ask then, What is that sin?

According to Jesus himself. Whoever believes is no longer condemned, Whoever does not believe is already in a state of condemnation.

Thus the command to repent from your unbelief, and come to a state of belief.

If we look at the great white throne, no one is judged for their sin.. They are judged for their works. Sadly, they are found wanting (their works could not save them) so their final judgment is based on whether they repented or not.

If we die in a state of unbelief, we have died in that sin that will never be forgiven.

Troll alert....

1. 
   God Seeks and Desires the Salvation of All:

• 2 Peter 3:9: "...not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
• 1 Timothy 2:3-4: "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
• John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

These passages reveal God's universal love and desire for salvation to extend to everyone.

1. Jesus' Initial Focus on Israel:

• It's true that Jesus' earthly ministry initially focused on Israel. Matthew 15:24: "He answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.'"
• This aligns with Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah coming to fulfill God's promises to Israel.
• Jesus prioritized reaching the Jewish people first, demonstrating God's faithfulness to those promises.

1. The Mission Expands to the Gentiles:

• The Great Commission: In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commands disciples: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations..." This indicates a broadening of the mission after Jesus' death and resurrection.
• Book of Acts: Records the spread of Christianity to Gentiles (non-Jews), fulfilling the promise that God's blessings would reach all nations through Abraham's seed.

Conclusion:

• While Jesus' initial ministry focused on Israel, Scripture reveals God's love and desire for salvation extends to all people.
• The Gospel message ultimately transcended any limitations, and Jesus' sacrifice is intended for the whole world.

Troll alert....

I agree the cross opened salvation to all. But God hasn't sought out all. If He had, missionaries wouldn't have been necessary. But they were sent to introduce the gospel to people groups who before that time knew not God. Before that time, these groups were not sought out. Who delivered the gospel to Indians in America? For many hundreds of years they were left without the gospel. This is just one example of many. God isn't always striving with men.

1) God reveals more truth when we respond rightly to what he’s already revealed.
Before getting overwhelmed with the mysteries, we should keep in mind the fact that the whole Bible is a record of God revealing himself to people! Scripture is replete with references to the reality that God intends for us to seek him (see esp. Acts 17:22-28; also 2 Chronicles 15:1-4; Jeremiah 29:12-13), and he gives us enough information to do so. But he does so without forcing it upon us, because he wants a willing response of faith from people; he doesn’t manipulate them into a relationship against their will.

The reality is that we don’t get the privilege of having more truth until we respond rightly in faith to what God already shows everyone. That would include his glory in creation and his principles in our consciences (Romans 1:18-21). It also includes what Christ has done for us all on the cross — that great and public revelation of God’s love for us — and what’s been recorded in Scripture for all to read. God reveals truth to those who seek and obey, and he hides truth from those who resist and rebel.

We see this principle in Jesus’ ministry. When the Jewish leaders began actively rejecting and resisting Jesus, he began preaching in parables (or riddles) so that only those who were really seeking the truth would find it in what Jesus was teaching. As he would famously say, “Whoever has ears, let them hear” (Matthew 13:9, NIV) — in other words, only those who were actively listening for and seeking the truth would find it.

For every question you’d love for God to answer, ask yourself: Am I obeying what he’s revealed already?

i'm a little confused. (shocker, lol!)

i believe the scriptures say redemption was fully accomplished at the cross of the Lord Jesus. the only unforgiveable sin i can think of is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. unbelief is surely forgivable, as we were all once in that state?

Why do you call ‘Troll alert’ on me? T-m has accused me of things I have not done.

Don't pretend your perfect, you are far from perfect.

And your insults will not lower my standards

Goodbye.

You are being stubborn and blind. I didn’t start the discussion on disabled people being trolls, and I didn’t demand that you answer any questions on the subject. Again, check who wrote what before responding.

Your standards are already as low as they can get.

At least you understood who I was talking about. Its just to Bad my brother thought i was talking about him.

Good day sir.

1) God reveals more truth when we respond rightly to what he’s already revealed.
Before getting overwhelmed with the mysteries, we should keep in mind the fact that the whole Bible is a record of God revealing himself to people! Scripture is replete with references to the reality that God intends for us to seek him (see esp. Acts 17:22-28; also 2 Chronicles 15:1-4; Jeremiah 29:12-13), and he gives us enough information to do so. But he does so without forcing it upon us, because he wants a willing response of faith from people; he doesn’t manipulate them into a relationship against their will.

The reality is that we don’t get the privilege of having more truth until we respond rightly in faith to what God already shows everyone. That would include his glory in creation and his principles in our consciences (Romans 1:18-21). It also includes what Christ has done for us all on the cross — that great and public revelation of God’s love for us — and what’s been recorded in Scripture for all to read. God reveals truth to those who seek and obey, and he hides truth from those who resist and rebel.

We see this principle in Jesus’ ministry. When the Jewish leaders began actively rejecting and resisting Jesus, he began preaching in parables (or riddles) so that only those who were really seeking the truth would find it in what Jesus was teaching. As he would famously say, “Whoever has ears, let them hear” (Matthew 13:9, NIV) — in other words, only those who were actively listening for and seeking the truth would find it.

For every question you’d love for God to answer, ask yourself: Am I obeying what he’s revealed already?

Oops cookies again 😂

@Cameron143 I have a question for you.

Acts 2:37-39

New International Version



37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”


What promise are children under seeing as they can't commit to anything, 🤔

And why will the lord call them, if people need to call first.

The typical means that God employs for salvation is through preaching. But God is under no constraint from employing other means. Many believe that God saved John the Baptist in the womb. So God can reach anyone anywhere at any time. How that is accomplished I do not know.