the Sabbath

verify all things, I am not speaking against Paul but For Jesus, Paul clearly say he has his own gospel, just do a study on the differences you will see. About Paul lets saw he had a huge ego.

Blessings

Paul offers good advice:
[2Ti 2:15 KJV] 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What is happening here is that two groups have studied and arrived at different opinions.

unfortunately Paul said things that are not godly at all, I am certain when you read his epistles you came across verses that were inappropriate, but going further would cause trouble here so lets not continue.

The Gospels are different, it is why Paul calls it HIS gospel;
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Johann, I am risking banishment here for saying the truth that displeases many, there is an important concept in the bible it is called witnessing, do a search for the word witness throughput the bible, GOD clearly established witnesses to Jesus, first in the O.T then in the N.T. it clearly states that witnesses are important to establish the truth.

Also know that i posted a new thread on the New covenant that never came out, did cc forget or have decided to not post it? here it is, it is a post that will again make people uncomfortable I think but to me it is true;

I will post here on this thread or it would exceed the 1000 character limit on this reply.

Both Jesus' words and the writings of the apostles, including Paul, possess equal authority because they come from God. As stated in 2 Peter 1:20-21, "No prophecy of Scripture is of any private origin, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit"

. The apostles themselves acknowledged the authority of Paul's writings, as seen in 2 Peter 3:15-16, where Peter refers to Paul's epistles as Scripture-




Therefore, while Jesus' words are indeed authoritative, so too are the words of the apostles, including Paul, because they were guided by the Holy Spirit and spoken under the inspiration of God

. The entirety of the Bible, including the words of Jesus and the apostles, constitutes the infallible Word of God-


The apostle Peter is writing to believers, emphasizing the importance of growth in Christian virtues and the reliability of Scripture (2 Peter 1:5-21).

Peter addresses false teachers who distort the truth and warns against their destructive teachings (2 Peter 2:1-3).
He underscores the certainty of Christ's return and the need for believers to live holy and godly lives in anticipation of that day (2 Peter 3:11-14).

Explanation:
"No prophecy of Scripture": Refers to the messages conveyed through prophets and writers of Scripture.
"Is of any private origin": Indicates that Scripture did not originate from the personal thoughts or interpretations of individuals but came from God.
"Men spoke from God": Highlights that although human authors wrote the Scriptures, their words were inspired by God Himself.
"As they were carried along by the Holy Spirit": Describes the process of divine inspiration where the Holy Spirit guided and directed the writers to convey God's message accurately.
Implications:
The passage affirms the divine authorship and authority of Scripture, emphasizing its reliability and truthfulness.
It underscores that Scripture is not a product of human invention but a revelation from God Himself.
It highlights the role of the Holy Spirit in inspiring and guiding the writers of Scripture, ensuring its accuracy and relevance for believers.
In conclusion, 2 Peter 1:20-21 asserts that Scripture is not a human creation but a divine revelation inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. This passage reinforces the foundational belief in the authority, reliability, and divine origin of the Bible as God's inspired Word.

The phrase "my gospel" is used by Paul in several places in the New Testament, including Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8. The phrase emphasizes the unique message that Paul received from Christ and preached to both Jews and Gentiles. Paul's gospel made no distinction between Jew or Gentile, and all were counted in unbelief as sinners and judged by God without respect of persons whether given the law or not. Paul's gospel was entirely of Christ, and he stands alone in calling it "the gospel of Christ" and "Christ's gospel," but that he also calls it "my gospel" can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively. No one else in scripture could claim "my gospel," nor can we.

We learned the gospel from Paul's writings, and the twelve apostles taught the same gospel as John the Baptist and of which the prophets spoke. Paul repeatedly says that the dispensation of the grace of God was given to him, and the Lord revealed to Paul a mystery kept secret since the world began. Paul was the chosen vessel of the Lord, appointed to the office of apostle of the Gentiles. His gospel was not received by man, nor was it of man, but given to him first by the Lord.

Time to get ourselves firmly acquainted with the gospel of Paul-which IS the gospel of Messiah.

Paul corrected Peter at Antioch, Peter had fallen from grace.

Paul was actually writing the doctrine for the Gentile church and correcting the church in Jerusalem.

Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

We are saved by grace through faith of Jesus alone. Those with faith keep God's law. Its the faith that saves us through the blood of Jesus, keeping God's law is a result of Christ's salvation in us. Rev 14:12.

We all deserve the death penalty because all has sinned, so the law can't save us, it just reveals our condition and so we rely on God's righteousness, not our own Psa 119:172. A righteous man will turn to Jesus for repentance and cleansing.

The incident you are referring to is found in the New Testament, specifically in the book of Galatians, where the apostle Paul recounts an event where he confronted the apostle Peter for his behavior in Antioch. In Galatians 2:11-14, Paul describes how he opposed Peter to his face because Peter was acting hypocritically by withdrawing from eating with Gentile believers out of fear of the circumcision group.
While this event does show a disagreement between Paul and Peter regarding their actions in Antioch, it is not accurate to say that Peter had "fallen from grace" in the sense of losing his salvation or standing with God.

The incident highlights a moment of inconsistency in Peter's behavior, which Paul addressed to uphold the principles of unity and equality among believers, especially between Jewish and Gentile Christians. Peter's actions were corrected by Paul to ensure adherence to the gospel message of grace and inclusion for all believers.

You have a distorted interpretation of the scripture.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles appointed by Jesus for that specific purpose.

Peter, John, James, were appointed as apostles to the Jews.

Galatians 2:7-9
But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised for He who was at work for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised was at work for me also to the Gentiles, and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.

This separation between the apostles towards circumcised (Jews) and uncircumcised (Gentiles). Has never been fully understood by the traditional churches. When Jesus speaks to the Jews in the gospels and they don't distinguish. Between the Jews and the Gentile they then stumble.

The gospel is Christ crucified, lock this primary doctrine in and you will see more clearly.

I have seen your reply before and it is the standard reply.

The text is clear concerning Peter.

11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Peter had abandoned the gospel of grace through faith.

Paul correctly identified the error in the church in Jerusalem.

I have seen your reply before and it is the standard reply.

The text is clear concerning Peter.

11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Peter had abandoned the gospel of grace through faith.

Paul correctly identified the error in the church in Jerusalem.

Whatever-the way you read the Scriptures and the way I study Scriptures might not be the same.
Seems you don't do a bit of digging-


I resisted him to the face (kata prosōpon autōi antestēn). Second aorist active indicative (intransitive) of anthistēmi. “I stood against him face to face.” In Jerusalem Paul faced Peter as his equal in rank and sphere of work. In Antioch he looked him in the eye as his superior in character and courage.
Because he stood condemned (hoti kategnōsmenos ēn). Periphrastic past perfect passive of kataginoskō, old verb to know against, to find fault with. In N.T. only here and 1Jn_3:20.

1) "But when Peter was come to Antioch," (hote de elthen kephas eis Antiocheion) "But when Peter came to Antioch of his own accord, on his own)," to the church that first received largely Gentiles- Paul returned there after the Jerusalem Council and preached and taught for near another year, during which time it appears this event occurred, Act_15:35.

2) "I withstood him to the face," (data prosopon auto antesten) "I stood against him, face to face," eyeball to eyeball, not to his back; or Paul Simply confronted him with regards to his fickle and shifting double standard of ethical behavior regarding fellowship and social communion with the Jewish and Gentile brethren.

3) "Because he was to be blamed," (hoti kategnosmenos en) "because he was having been condemned," to be blamed for what he had done;" Peter's influence that was in error in this matter was to be blamed for the acts and deeds of one who influences another or others for good or for bad, Rom_14:7; 1Co_1:12 indicates that rivalry in the Corinth church perhaps had its beginning over this very matter. And note also that this clash of Apostle against Apostle had spread from the continent of Asia to Europe.

NOWHERE do I read Peter has fallen from grace nor abandon the gospel. I am learning "new things" here-contrary to what stands written.

J.

You understand v.11 to mean Peter had fallen into condemnation?

Whatever-the way you read the Scriptures and the way I study Scriptures might not be the same.
Seems you don't do a bit of digging-


I resisted him to the face (kata prosōpon autōi antestēn). Second aorist active indicative (intransitive) of anthistēmi. “I stood against him face to face.” In Jerusalem Paul faced Peter as his equal in rank and sphere of work. In Antioch he looked him in the eye as his superior in character and courage.
Because he stood condemned (hoti kategnōsmenos ēn). Periphrastic past perfect passive of kataginoskō, old verb to know against, to find fault with. In N.T. only here and 1Jn_3:20.

1) "But when Peter was come to Antioch," (hote de elthen kephas eis Antiocheion) "But when Peter came to Antioch of his own accord, on his own)," to the church that first received largely Gentiles- Paul returned there after the Jerusalem Council and preached and taught for near another year, during which time it appears this event occurred, Act_15:35.

2) "I withstood him to the face," (data prosopon auto antesten) "I stood against him, face to face," eyeball to eyeball, not to his back; or Paul Simply confronted him with regards to his fickle and shifting double standard of ethical behavior regarding fellowship and social communion with the Jewish and Gentile brethren.

3) "Because he was to be blamed," (hoti kategnosmenos en) "because he was having been condemned," to be blamed for what he had done;" Peter's influence that was in error in this matter was to be blamed for the acts and deeds of one who influences another or others for good or for bad, Rom_14:7; 1Co_1:12 indicates that rivalry in the Corinth church perhaps had its beginning over this very matter. And note also that this clash of Apostle against Apostle had spread from the continent of Asia to Europe.

NOWHERE do I read Peter has fallen from grace nor abandon the gospel. I am learning "new things" here-contrary to what stands written.

J.

I off to make a strong cup of coffee-"Peter had fallen from grace and lost his salvation" Is that what you read?

No. I believe it means he was terribly wrong. I believe it is phrased as it is to show the seriousness of the offense, and compared to the kind of thinking of those under condemnation.

Thank you-for a moment I taught I was going crazy-learning a "redefined eisegestical interpretation of Scriptures" and Paul is a '"gonner"
Amazing.
J.

How much time does it take?

The AMPC sums up Ephesians 2:8 very nicely - "For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God."

Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Greek word for "keep" is tereo.

Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.
HELPS Word-studies
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.

Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)

The believer possesses a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. It's not about Jesus helping us to perfectly keep the law and save ourselves

Hi there,

Thanks for the message and had a few minutes to share through scripture the answers to your questions.

I’ll first address “keep”

Yes, I agree with the definition of “keep” by Strong, I do find it odd you agree with Strong here, but not his translation on Heb 4:9 which means “the keeping of the Sabbath” for God’s people, but I will get back to the subject.

I will show you two usages for keep- which means guard and observe.

The same word in John 14:15 for keep is also the same greek word used in Math 28:20 the Great Commission

Math 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Which means to do. We are called to be doers of God’s Word, not hearers James 1:22

A good usage of guard is the New Covenant- God’s law written in our hearts which we should guard, or keep there because this is God giving us His righteousness. As long as we are in Him and not rebelling against what He placed in our hearts His law- we will have His righteousness so it is very important to guard God’s law and let no one change our minds as that is an enmity against God Rom 8:7-8

As far as how we are saved. We are only saved by grace through Jesus and His blood. Everyone deserves the death penalty because all has sinned. Jesus died to take the death in our place and when we are in Him, we receive His righteousness. We have no righteousness of ourselves and as soon as we are no longer in Him, which means a relationship with Him we will not have His righteousness. If we remove even one tittle of jot from God’s law Mat 5:18 that He personally writes in our hearts we have cut that relationship, and I don’t mean the occasionally slip and fall that a righteous man will go to Jesus immediately when stumbling for repentance, cleansing and sanctification. I am referring to not hearing His law and being hostile to it. Rom 8:4-8 Paul makes very clear that is the carnal mind and those who are in flesh (sin) cannot please God. If we are in Christ we have a relationship with Him, He is going to be able to mold our hearts and it will be done based on what He deems righteous Psa 119:172 and what He deems Truth Psa 119: 151 and His Righteousness and Truth is never changing, which is why if we break one commandment in the NC we break them all James 2:10-12. All of God’s commandments are about our relationship with God, but the 4th commandment reveals who gives us that power to have that relationship and its the one commandment that God said to Remember, is holy and blessed by God and yet the one commandment man wants to rebel against for some strange reason. It’s almost like they will do anything but that and its the one commandment that God said Remember perhaps for this very reason.

So while we are only saved by the blood of Jesus through faith alone, not everyone who says Lord Lord will be saved. We all have to make it through Judgement before one is deemed righteous and is saved. If we hold on to Christ’s righteousness and not rebel against what He writes in our hearts we be saved by grace through faith by His works, not our because through His power He can change us from the inside out, we just have to have a willing and moldable heart because our ways are not God’s ways and why we have to depend on Him and His righteousness.