The angel of the LORD.

Are not the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit One? I believe they are because Jesus Yeshua said such. I believe on faith, though I will not truly understand this until His time, and it will be glorious.

Can you please post the verses that support what your saying about "how the parents to be entertained the Angel of the Lord? Thank You!

bluto

Can you please post the verses that support what your saying about "how the parents to be entertained the Angel of the Lord? Thank You!

bluto

OK, with helps , this old man found it. It is in Judges.

Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Jdg 13:23 But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.

Some other passages in the Old Testament that mention the Angel of the Lord include:

Genesis 16:7-14: The Angel of the Lord appears to Hagar in the wilderness and promises to multiply her descendants.

Genesis 22:11-18: The Angel of the Lord stops Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac and promises to bless him and multiply his descendants.

Exodus 3:2-6: The Angel of the Lord appears to Moses in the burning bush and identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Judges 2:1-5: The Angel of the Lord rebukes the Israelites for breaking their covenant with God.

Judges 6:11-24: The Angel of the Lord appears to Gideon and commissions him to save Israel from the Midianites.

Judges 13:2-23: The Angel of the Lord appears to Samson's parents and announces the birth of their son.

Zechariah 1:7-17: The Angel of the Lord appears to the prophet Zechariah and promises to restore Jerusalem.

These appearances of the Angel of the Lord have led many scholars to conclude that this figure is a manifestation of the pre-incarnate Christ.

Some other passages in the Old Testament that mention the Angel of the Lord include:

Genesis 16:7-14: The Angel of the Lord appears to Hagar in the wilderness and promises to multiply her descendants.

Genesis 22:11-18: The Angel of the Lord stops Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac and promises to bless him and multiply his descendants.

Exodus 3:2-6: The Angel of the Lord appears to Moses in the burning bush and identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Judges 2:1-5: The Angel of the Lord rebukes the Israelites for breaking their covenant with God.

Judges 6:11-24: The Angel of the Lord appears to Gideon and commissions him to save Israel from the Midianites.

Judges 13:2-23: The Angel of the Lord appears to Samson's parents and announces the birth of their son.

Zechariah 1:7-17: The Angel of the Lord appears to the prophet Zechariah and promises to restore Jerusalem.

These appearances of the Angel of the Lord have led many scholars to conclude that this figure is a manifestation of the pre-incarnate Christ.

Are you saying you have not read this yourself. I believe it is in Judges, the story of Sampon, but hold on, I will use helps to find it for you. It will take me a while.

Jesus (Who is the Eternal God) is the Messenger of the Lord in the OT:

It is quite astonishing to discover that Jesus Christ appears not only in the prophecies and typifications within the Old Testament but He also actually makes real pre-incarnate physical appearances in the Old Testament, as well. Many of these appearances are under the title of the "Angel of the Lord" in the KJV. Yet, we clearly know that Jesus is not a created angel or being but He is God Almighty Himself (or the second person in the Godhead or Trinity).

Anyways, please take the time to look up the origin of the word "angel" at etymonline. While you are there, you will discover that it can also be defined as "messenger".

Online Etymology Dictionary

In other words, Jesus is the Messenger of the Lord in the Old Testament!

Now, where does our Lord Jesus appear as a messenger in the Old Testament?

1. The Story of Hagar -

Genesis 16:7-13

The angel of the LORD promised to do something that only God can do (see v.10). Hagar knew that it was the Lord who spoke to her (v. 13) and she identified the angel of the LORD as God: "Thou God seest me" (v.13).

Genesis 21:17-20

The angel of the Lord promised to do something only God can do (see v.18). This angel is identified as God (v.19).

2. The Story of Abraham & Sarah -

Genesis 18:1-33

Although the title of the "angel of the Lord" is not used here, it is clear within this chapter that is Jesus Christ. First, "the Lord appeared unto him (i.e. Abraham)" (v. 1) followed by the immediate appearance of three men (v. 2). Abraham and Sarah both call him Lord, as well (v. 3) (v. 12). The Lord also knew Sarah had laughed at God's promise when she was not present (v. 15).

3. The Story of Abraham & Isaac -

Genesis 22:15-18

The angel of the Lord is speaking (verses 15-16) and yet verse 16 makes it clear that it is God who is speaking ("saith the LORD")! In verses 17-18 the angel of the Lord promises to do what only God can do.

4. The Story of Jacob -

Genesis 31:11-13

The angel of God (v.11) identifies Himself as God: "I am the God of Bethel" (v.13).

Genesis 32:24-32

Jacob wrestles with a man who he later identifies the place with the name "Peniel", which means he had seen God face to face (v. 30).

5. The Story of Joseph -

Genesis 48:14-16

When Jacob was blessing Joseph and his sons he mentions :The Angel which redeemed me from all evil" (v. 16). Now, last time I checked, but angels do not redeem anyone. They are simply guardians.

6. The Story of Moses -

Exodus 3:2-7

The angel of the Lord appeared to Moses out of the midst of a burning bush and identified Himself as God (verses 4 and 6) and as Lord (verses 4 and 7). See also Acts 7:30-32 where the angel of the Lord is identified as the Lord God.

Exodus 14:19-21

The angel of God does what only God can do (verses 19-20) and is identified with the glorious manifestation of God in the pillar of the cloud (verses 19-20). In verse 21 this angel is identified as "the LORD".

Exodus 23:20-23

This passage makes it clear that the Lord’s angel is much more than a mere angel; this angel is closely identified with God: Lord’s "name is in Him" (v.21, "name" referring to Lord's nature and character) and God’s people must "obey His voice" (v.21). Indeed, He has the authority to "pardon your transgressions" or not to pardon them, and who can forgive sins but God alone? Notice that the angel is distinct from God and sent by God. The LORD said, "Behold, I send an angel before thee." We are reminded of New Testament parallels as the Son was distinct from the Father and sent by the Father (John 3:17; etc.) and yet equal to the Father (John 5:18) (John 10:30).

7. The Story of Balaam -

Numbers 22:20-35

Now in the story of Balaam, we begin with God speaking directly to Balaam, then a transition from God to "angel of the Lord" So guess who was standing before Balaam? None other than Jesus Christ. The "angel of the LORD" is used many times in verses 23-26, and verses 31-35 and the LORD in verses 28-31. Then continuing in Chapter 23 God meets Balaam in verse 4 and the LORD is mentioned in verses 5 and 16. These titles are being used interchangeably.

8. The Story of Joshua -

Joshua 5:13-15

Again, although the "Angel of the Lord" is not mentioned here, Jesus did appear to Joshua in the form of a man. This man was worshiped by Joshua (v. 14) and this man declared that Joshua was standing on Holy ground (v. 15).

9. The Beginning Story of the Judges -

Judges 2:1-3

The angel of Lord says things that only God could say. God is the One who brought them into the land which He swore to give unto their fathers (v.1). God is the One who promised to never break His covenant (v.1).

10. The Story of Gideon -

Judges 6:11-24

As you follow this passage, pay close attention to who is speaking to Gideon: in verse 12 the angel of the Lord is speaking; in verse 14 the Lord is speaking; in verse 16 the Lord is speaking; in verse 20 the angel of God is speaking. Lord and the angel of Lord are one and the same.

11. The Story of Samson's Birth -

Judges 13:3-23

Note especially verses 17-18. Manoah said to the angel of the Lord, "What is Thy Name?" (v.17) and the angel of the Lord said, "Why asketh thou thus after My Name, seeing it is secret?" The word "secret" may be translated "wonderful." It is the same Hebrew word found in Isaiah 9:6 – "His Name shall be called wonderful." In Isaiah 9:6 the term is used as a name of Christ who is also called "the Mighty God." The fact that the Lord's angel was God was certainly known by Manoah. After the angel of the Lord appeared to him Manoah said, "We have seen God!" (v.22).

Conclusion:

The Angel of the Lord is also mentioned in the story of David, Isaiah, the Psalms, and Zechariah. So it is amazing to see how Jesus Christ being our eternal God was always present in the past, even revealing Himself within the sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament, too.

OK, with helps , this old man found it. It is in Judges.

Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Jdg 13:23 But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.

I asked the question because I did not know who's parents you had in mind, that's all.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Let me also add that the Hebrew word for angel is "malak." It simply means "messenger." It can also refer to an actual angel as well, the context determines how it is used. For instance at Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My "malak/messenger/angel, and he will clear the way before Me, And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the malak/messenger/angel if the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."

In this verse the first messenger is John the Baptist. Mark 1:1-3. "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Vs2, As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, "Behold, I send My messenger before your face, Who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, make ready the way of the Lord, make His paths straight."

Of course John is not an angel, except maybe to his mother! The second "malak/messenger/angel," the messenger of the covenant is Jesus Christ. Judges 2:1, "Now the angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, And he said, "I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land which I HAVE SWORN TO YOUR FATHERS; and I said, I will never break My covenant with you."

As a side note, the prophet "Malachi's" name is from the word "malak." and it goes without saying that Malachi is not an angel but a human messenger/prophet.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

The ancient rabbis had various interpretations of the Angel of the Lord.

Christians cannot go by what the ancient (or modern) rabbis have to say. There is only ONE interpretation for who is "the Angel of the LORD" and that is clearly spelled out in Exodus chapter 3.

EXODUS 3: CHRIST SAID THAT HE IS "I AM". AND HE IS ALSO THE ANGEL OF THE LORD

HE IS "THE ANGEL OF THE LORD"
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

HE IS |"THE LORD" AND ALSO "GOD"
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground...

HE IS "I AM THAT I AM" AND ALSO "I AM"
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you...

HE IS "THE LORD GOD" AND "THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB"
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations...

HE IS "THE LORD GOD OF THE HEBREWS"
18 And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, The LORD God of the Hebrews hath met with us: and now let us go, we beseech thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God.

This is just an amazing chapter which gives us EIGHT different names/designations for Christ. No man has seen God the Father at any time. But Christ has "declared" or "revealed" Him to mankind, and it is the pre-incarnate Christ who appeared to Moses (as well to several others) as "the Angel of the LORD". Not merely a "messenger" (as some would have us believe), but God in human form. And eventually He came as Jesus (Yeshua) of Nazareth, and is now "the Lord Jesus Christ".

Let me also add that the Hebrew word for angel is "malak." It simply means "messenger." It can also refer to an actual angel as well, the context determines how it is used. For instance at Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My "malak/messenger/angel, and he will clear the way before Me, And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the malak/messenger/angel if the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."

In this verse the first messenger is John the Baptist. Mark 1:1-3. "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Vs2, As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, "Behold, I send My messenger before your face, Who will prepare Your way; vs3, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, make ready the way of the Lord, make His paths straight."

Of course John is not an angel, except maybe to his mother! The second "malak/messenger/angel," the messenger of the covenant is Jesus Christ. Judges 2:1, "Now the angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, And he said, "I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land which I HAVE SWORN TO YOUR FATHERS; and I said, I will never break My covenant with you."

As a side note, the prophet "Malachi's" name is from the word "malak." and it goes without saying that Malachi is not an angel but a human messenger/prophet.

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Malak does indeed translate fully as angel or messenger. Malaki would translate as my messenger. A similar word from the Hebrew is Melek which means King....... Learning the full maning of names and certain words of the Book shine bright Light on all reading.

This is NOT the Angel of the Lord YHVH.

Jesus Yeshua proclaime He is the Bread from Heaven. It is no small wonder that He was bornin Bethlehem, which fully translates as House of Bread.
Living in Nazareth after He was brought back from Mitsraim *Egypt:, He would have been rereferred to as as a Nazar, which fulfills the prophecy in Zecharia I believe, being The Branch. Nazaar is Branch. If memory serves me correctly.

I love the fully translated words from Hebrew. By the way look up malak and give a full etymology of the word. I could try but I would slaughter it .................

Since you are denying what is plainly revealed to you in that post and the Scriptures provided, there is no need for any further discussion. In fact you should have agreed 100%. Instead you have gone off on a tangent.

Since you are denying what is plainly revealed to you in that post and the Scriptures provided, there is no need for any further discussion. In fact you should have agreed 100%. Instead you have gone off on a tangent.