What if you die before water baptism?

Man this is confusement.

Do we rinse the dishes before we wash them or after? Or do we just give them a wet wipe or a good shake and think ahh close enough.

Chuckle!!! HEY!! I'm covered anyway!! Since my father was Italian, and a generational Roman Catholic, naturally I was baptized as an INFANT (got the pictures to prove it!!!! I was a beautiful baby!!), and later (1963) when I REALLY was Born Again, and became a Christian (on a Wednesday night), then the following Sunday I was dunked in the tank at Greenwood Baptist church. and nothing changed (except my clothes, since they were wet).

I wasn't any MORE SAVED on Sunday, than I was the previous Wednesday. I did, however, feel that I'd been obedient to my understanding of the Biblical ordinance to be Baptized, so I was.

Obviously we baptized NONE of our Kids, but did "Dedicate them to God" (a standard Protestant ceremonial practice).

Glad to hear you didn't baptize your kids. Babies are not believers, yet.

Since you believe you only got wet, from your understanding, what is the purpose of water baptism? Please provide the scriptures you use to support this.

Eph 2:8,9 covers it nicely. If Salvation IS BY FAITH, then Baptism has nothing to do with it. I see no reason to assume that Baptism is anything other than a testimonial. why would you thionk getting wet, would have any spiritual significance.

THE REAL PROBLEM COMES IN when people who are Baptized falsely believe that it "Saves them", and don't find out until they're in HELL that the church LIED TO THEM about it.

I find it interesting that your understanding of what baptism accomplishes comes from a passage that has nothing to do with baptism. I'm sorry but God has seen fit to give us a lot of information about baptism. Why not use that information to understand what is the purpose of baptism?

So go ahead and Baptize people and LIE TO THEM about what it does, if you don't know anymore about salvation that that.

I"m perfectly fine with being Baptized AFTER being Born Again, and indwelled by the Holy SPirit - in fact I was. it's O.K. to have your little ceremony, since the SPIRITUAL work is already done.

But teaching being Baptized WITHOUT Being Born again FIRST is a fatal dis-service to people, who may believe that they're O.K., when in fact, they're still DEAD in SIN. Baptism does NOTHING the remedy that situation.

To be born again takes water and the Spirit. Jesus Himself said so.
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

But if you pay any attenton at all to the context, it's obvious that the "Water" refers to "Natural birth", and the "Spirit" refers to the Born Again experience.

I'm well aware that "Baptismal Regenerationists", try to put "Water Baptism" everywhere, even when it doesn't belong.

SO spread your "Theology" and I'll oppose it.

I'm not sure that it does.

The passage say unless a man be born of water and spirit he can not enter the kingdom.

If a man was naturally born of water, there would be no reason for Jesus to say this, unless you be born of water.

Since every one has the chance to be saved then all are born naturally, of what you call water that is.

There for the water Jesus must be talking about, must be different.

My belief is all tho you may not agree,

I believe jesus is refering to living water.

But where is that living water, is it in the washing of sins, is it in the forgiveness of sins.


Does the living water come first and then the spirit.


Do some receive the living water, but not the spirit.

Does the living water come from water baptism.

So anyhow, a lot of questions, but also ideas, I know, but with God the list of possibilities are endless.

I would say it probably best to hold water baptism as a sacred act, that leads to being born of living water.

And I would stick to those guns just in case.

As Jesus said go out and baptise.

But you don't have to stick to theese guns,

but I will because the gun of guns, the son of a gun, says his gun can smoke me to heaven or hell.

so I go with honouring his water baptism 😊

But if you pay any attenton at all to the context, it's obvious that the "Water" refers to "Natural birth", and the "Spirit" refers to the Born Again experience.

I'm well aware that "Baptismal Regenerationists", try to put "Water Baptism" everywhere, even when it doesn't belong.

SO spread your "Theology" and I'll oppose it.

I'm not sure that it does.

The individuals received the presence of the Holy Spirit and submitted to being baptized in water. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Totally FALSE.

That's fine, believe what you want. I think it refers to natural birth, and you've provided no reason for me to reconsider.

What IMPORTANT is FAITH in Jesus' sacrifice to cleanse you from SIN.

honestly brother, water baptism is a holy sacrament come on bro, this one should not be given the hump

There are no "Sacraments". They're "just another" phony Roman Catholic invention to keep their sheep in line.

BUT HEY!!! the largest Assembly of God church in our area held a "Splash party", and baptized just over 150 people in morning service. we'll have a Baptism at our place for new converts next week.

But if you pay any attenton at all to the context, it's obvious that the "Water" refers to "Natural birth", and the "Spirit" refers to the Born Again experience.

I'm well aware that "Baptismal Regenerationists", try to put "Water Baptism" everywhere, even when it doesn't belong.

SO spread your "Theology" and I'll oppose it.

nope the Sacraments are a part of the protestant churches too.

Sme of 'em for sure.