The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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John146 said:
I thought the audience was given. I'll post it anyway.

Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

As far as temporal condemnation, look no further than Romans 14. Read the entire chapter.

How many times have you been saved today?
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How does Romans 1:7 undo the verses I posted to you? You did not explain anything with this verse as if it somehow explains away the verses I put forth to you.

As for Romans 14: That’s a wild goose chase. You might as well say look to the Bible. Please be specific. If not, then you cannot properly use your sword, dear sir. In either case, this is not even the topic and my time is limited. If your next reply does not specifically address the actual words of the verses I posted, I am going to ignore your posts on this topic.

May God bless you.
 
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I know that NO "BIBLE" is completely accurate as far as what the writer's actually did write on their papyrus, or stone or whatever. We can never get THAT back from where it originally was. I DO know that THE HOLY SPIRIT will guide us into all truth.

John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

THAT is what I go by.
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How do you know that?

You just quoted Scripture as an authority on that.

Also, 10 people can say the same thing and yet they all can believe many different things in regard to the Bible.
 
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How do you know that?

You just quoted Scripture as an authority on that.
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Yea, and I believe it's the BEST authority on it. Guided by THE HOLY SPIRIT....That's good 'nuff for me!

If the Holy Spirit guides me to a certain book or chapter or whatever, that's where I'll go to read/study.



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I know that NO "BIBLE" is completely accurate as far as what the writer's actually did write on their papyrus, or stone or whatever. We can never get THAT back from where it originally was. I DO know that THE HOLY SPIRIT will guide us into all truth.

John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

THAT is what I go by.
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Also, the truth is the Word (John 17:17). So you will be guided by the Spirit to believe Scripture when it talks about its own teachings on the purity and preservation of His Word.
 
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YWPMI said:
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Yea, and I believe it's the BEST authority on it. Guided by THE HOLY SPIRIT....That's good 'nuff for me!

If the Holy Spirit guides me to a certain book or chapter or whatever, that's where I'll go to read/study.



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Modern bibles teach false doctrines. Folks believe some of these false beliefs and they will also say that they are being guided by the Spirit like you. So that standard does not work if one does not have a perfect Bible.

You are going to be judged by whether or not you received the words of Christ or not (See John 12:48).
 
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EXACTLY!
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So you believe all Modern Bibles are pure? How is that possible if they teach Catholic ideas? Why are Modern bibles based on a manuscript that comes from Catholic Church? It’s called the VATICANus.
 
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Modern bibles teach false doctrines. Folks believe some of these false beliefs and they will also say that they are being guided by the Spirit like you. So that standard does not work if one does not have a perfect Bible.

You are going to be judged by whether or not you received the words of Christ or not (See John 12:48).
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There is no "perfect bible". Not since the original. THIS IS WHY we MUST trust the Holy Spirit of ADONAI to teach us
 
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Yea, and I believe it's the BEST authority on it. Guided by THE HOLY SPIRIT....That's good 'nuff for me!
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It should be for all believers. At the same time it was the Holy Spirit who superintended the preservation of Scripture by ensuring that thousands of manuscripts would go towards making sure that the true words of God were preserved in Hebrew and Greek. So when these traditional texts were printed in the 16th century, Christians accepted them as the Word of God. Christ Himself already accepted the preservation of the Hebrew Tanakh to His time (see Luke 24). And the Elzevir brothers -- guided by the Holy Spirit -- were sure that the Received Text in Greek was also the preserved text of the NT. Following that all conservative scholars also believed this.
 
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I have no idea who those people are... as I am not a "scholar". I simply love THE LORD and I pray for HIM to guide me even if I did not have any "Bible" to read. He tells me HE will give me what to say and do. THAT's good 'nuff for me!
 
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YWPMI said:
There is no "perfect bible". Not since the original. THIS IS WHY we MUST trust the Holy Spirit of ADONAI to teach us
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You’re not getting it. You are denying teachings taught in the Bible.

Just as Jesus is perfect (Luke 6:40), God’s Word is perfect. Deuteronomy 32:3-4 says,” Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect”; In other words, the Bible is God’s work, and it is perfect like He is. Parallels like this of Jesus and the Word are not an isolated one. Many verses show a connection between the Word & Christ (See here to learn more). Also, God’s words are pure words (Psalms 12:6) (Psalms 119:140). As a matter of fact, the first half of Proverbs 30:5 says:

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God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:23-25) (Also compare John 17:17 with Psalms 100:5 and Psalms 117:2). In fact, scrolls of Scripture were written on either vellum (flesh/animal skins) or papyri (i.e., grass). The scribes knew they had to keep making copies to preserve God’s words because the scrolls of the Scriptures would get old and decay and perish. So the flesh of the animal skins and the grass used to write Scripture would eventually pass away. Peter says, “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…” (1 Peter 1:24-25). So even though old copies would die out, new ones would replace them, preserving the words of the Lord forever. In fact, Jesus says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35). Note: Psalms 12:7 is altered in other Bibles.

The Scriptures are called “Holy” (See 2 Timothy 3:15).

The Scriptures even prophecy about the completed Bible.

 
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How does Romans 1:7 undo the verses I posted to you? You did not explain anything with this verse as if it somehow explains away the verses I put forth to you.

As for Romans 14: That’s a wild goose chase. You might as well say look to the Bible. Please be specific. If not, then you cannot properly use your sword, dear sir. In either case, this is not even the topic and my time is limited. If your next reply does not specifically address the actual words of the verses I posted, I am going to ignore your posts on this topic.

May God bless you.
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Here, damned simply means fallen under condemnation or judgment. It does not mean condemned to hell. This is an example of temporal condemnation of walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.

Romans 14
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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YWPMI said:
I have no idea who those people are... as I am not a "scholar". I simply love THE LORD and I pray for HIM to guide me even if I did not have any "Bible" to read. He tells me HE will give me what to say and do. THAT's good 'nuff for me!
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If you don’t trust in a perfect Bible today, how is your belief any different than Spiritism? How can that be your authority? Again, 100 other people can say the same thing and disagree with you on what words are correct or false in your sea of corrupted Modern Bibles. Your belief does not make any sense. You or the scholar are the standard when it comes to that 2-5% of the Bible you think is in error. You get to sit in the seat of God and determine what God said or did not say.

The apostles were guided into all truth and some of them wrote inspired Scripture. They were confirmed as men of God because of the signs or miracles they did.

Mark 16:20
“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”

This is not talking about you.
We don’t need to confirm the words of the apostles anymore.

We have the Bible now.
 
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God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7)
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No it does not!

5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

The psalmist says that God will preserve the poor and the needy "from this generation forever".

Even if verse 7 is referring to God's words from verse 6, those three words "from this generation" mean that the verse is not saying that God will preserve His words forever.

I've explained this clearly to you, but you have chosen not to learn.
 
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No it does not!

5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the Lord; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

The psalmist says that God will preserve the poor and the needy "from this generation forever".

Even if verse 7 is referring to God's words from verse 6, those three words "from this generation" mean that the verse is not saying that God will preserve His words forever.

I've explained this clearly to you, but you have chosen not to learn.
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I once entertained the Textual Critic’s perspective on Psalms 12:7. I could read it and see it that way. In fact, for a week or so, I believed this reading. But something did not sit right with me on that interpretation. So I prayed and kept reading Psalms 12 and really started to meditate on what all the words were saying in that chapter.

Here are the words that jumped off the page for me (that I believe you are not taking into account):

Psalm 12:3-4 KJV
[3] “The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: [4] Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?”

Notice. Verse 3 says that the Lord will cut off the flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things. Meaning, the Lord will cut off their proud words.

Verse 4 is the proud speaking. The proud say that their tongue (speech or words) will prevail. They oppress the poor.

Verse 6 and 7 is God’s promise that demolishes that idea in contrast.

God’s promise in keeping the poor and the godly stems from the purity of His words (verse 6). God will keep “them” (his people and his words) (verse 7) which is a contrast to the flattering lips (words) being cut off (verse 3) despite the crowd’s defiance claiming to God that their proud speech will prevail (verse 4). But God’s words will prevail while their proud words will be cut off.

As for the words “from this generation” in verse 7:

If I am understanding you correctly: You are claiming that this cannot be a reference to words being preserved forever because it is referring from the “this generation” as the starting point of this promise in Psalms 12.

This line of logic does not work because you would have to assume that God was not keeping the godly or the poor before this point in time in regard to giving of this promise. This is just not case because God kept Enoch who did not see death. God had Satan take away Job’s wealth. He had almost nothing and yet God kept him because he remained faithful.
 
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Because I trust the Koine edition, and it is the true scriptures.
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Where is it at? Can you hold it in the air and declare it to be the perfect words of God without error?
Why this Greek edition? Can you read, speak, listen, and write Koine Geek like the apostle Paul despite it being a dead language? You would have to in order to compare the many Greek editions out there.
 
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Bible_Highlighter said:
I once entertained the Textual Critic’s perspective on Psalms 12:7. I could read it and see it that way. In fact, for a week or so, I believed this reading. But something did not sit right with me on that interpretation. So I prayed and kept reading Psalms 12 and really started to meditate on what all the words were saying in that chapter.

Here are the words that jumped off the page for me (that I believe you are not taking into account):

Psalm 12:3-4 KJV
[3] “The Lord shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: [4] Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?”

Notice. Verse 3 says that the Lord will cut off the flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things. Meaning, the Lord will cut off their proud words.

Verse 4 is the proud speaking. The proud say that their tongue (speech or words) will prevail. They oppress the poor.

Verse 6 and 7 is God’s promise that demolishes that idea in contrast.

God’s promise in keeping the poor and the godly stems from the purity of His words (verse 6). God will keep “them” (his people and his words) (verse 7) which is a contrast to the flattering lips (words) being cut off (verse 3) despite the crowd’s defiance claiming to God that their proud speech will prevail (verse 4). But God’s words will prevail while their proud words will be cut off.

As for the words “from this generation” in verse 7:

If I am understanding you correctly: You are claiming that this cannot be a reference to words being preserved forever because it is referring from the “this generation” as the starting point of this promise in Psalms 12.

This line of logic does not work because you would have to assume that God was not keeping the godly or the poor before this point in time in regard to giving of this promise. This is just not case because God kept Enoch who did not see death. God had Satan take away Job’s wealth. He had almost nothing and yet God kept him because he remained faithful.
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Auto-correct messed up my words. Meant to say “proud’s defiance” and not “crowd’s defiance.”
 
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