the Sabbath

To answer your first question, no the children of God is not going to want to sin, that why God’s law is so important, it shows our sin Romans 7:7 and is like a mirror so we can see our sin and shows us our need for Jesus who He alone can remove our sin, but requires us to have a change of heart, which means a change in direction and confession and repentance needs to be heartfelt and sincere. We have a just and fair God who wants nothing more than for us not to sin and will forgive us each time we do, but when He heals- He says go and sin no more- this is living in grace.

The other verse you are quoting from Colossians you are leaving out the context. There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture and Paul made it abundantly clear which Sabbath he is referring to. The annuals sabbath(s) written by Moses- not one of God’s finger-written commandments that is holy and blessed by God that no man can reverse Num 23:20 because man is not above God. I do hope you prayerfully consider the context.

Paul made it clear, the sabbath(s) he was referring to the ordinances handwritten by Moses which the context is in verse 14 Co 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

No one ever quotes this because they want to stay in darkness instead of coming to God's Truth.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God, not a suggestion, finger written personally by our Lord and Savior that is holy and blessed (not the definition of contrary or against)and God said "Remember" because He knew everyone would forget. Once God blesses something as He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20

The seventh day Sabbath is not a shadow of anything because it started at Creation- Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11God's perfect plan before the fall of man. The annual sabbath(s) called holy days that were ordinances Exo 12:43 Num 9:12 added after the fall of man that had to do with food and drink offerings Heb 9:10 Num 29:21 Num 29:24, the context of this passage, that were handwritten by Moses 1 Chro 33:8 that all was a placeholder until Jesus came 1 Cor 5:7 Col 2:17 Heb 10:1-22 as the blood of animals made nothing perfect but the blood of Christ can cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness.

Rom 14:15 is referring to opinions of man, not what day God esteems over all others- the Sabbath is My holy day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 which is why Romans 14 never once mentions the Sabbath. Man adds it there because that's their will, not God's. Romans 14:15 correlates with Col 2:14-17 and if one wanted to read Romans 14 in context you would see it is about food and drink, judging and opinions of man- not opinions of God. There is nothing in all the Ten Commandments that is about food or drink offerings.

Hebrews 7, Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10 shows us what changed.

Rev 22:14-15 James 2:10-12 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:18-30 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14, Mat 19:17-19 Romans 13:9 1 Cor 7:19 Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Isa 56:1-6, Isa 66:22-23 shows us what didn’t and is all throughout the NT taught by Jesus and the apostles.

Caan said:
Grace and Peace Honored Posters All!

After careful meditation and prayerful seeking The Lord,
I have been given direction on this issue !
Praise Jesus!

I am going to continue to Worship and Praise 7 days a week,
and not work on Saturday and Sunday.

I will also be starting a new Denomination ...
The B.A.C.N. church...
BLESS ALL CURSE NONE



Magenta said:
I am trying to think of an "O" word that can be added between the "C" and the "N"... .
Only? Oh? Obediently? Obligingly? Objectively? Openly? Openheartedly? Optimistically?

Caan said:
Ostensibly ...

Onerously

Colossians 2:16-17

For centuries, people have tried to use Colossians 2:16-17 to say that Christians are not required to observe the Sabbath and holy days. This distortion stems partly from a misunderstanding of Colossians 2:14, which many claim says that the law was abolished and nailed to the cross, and partly from having a carnal mind, which is enmity against God and His law (Romans 8:7). They reason that Paul is saying in verse 16, "Therefore [since the law is done away] don't let anyone condemn you for eating unclean meats or not observing the Sabbath or holy days." Consequently, they interpret verse 17 to mean that Paul dismisses the Sabbath and holy days as unimportant symbols of future events, while emphasizing that the only truly substantive Christian need is belief in Christ. From this, they conclude that we should not concern ourselves about these days because, since Christ died, their observance is not required. This is not true.
The Colossians had been significantly influenced by pagan philosophies that taught that perfection could be achieved through self-denial and abstinence from pleasure. As a result, Colossae tended to be an ascetic community which adhered to a religion of severity, and its citizens thought anyone who was religious should behave as they did. Many of the people who had come into the Christian church in Colossae had brought their pagan philosophies with them, and they soon began to have an adverse influence on the entire congregation at Colossae. Paul corrects the people in the church who were doing this in Colossians 2:20-23. It appears some of the people had begun thinking that this self-imposed asceticism could somehow contribute to their salvation and had begun turning away from trusting in Christ. They had more faith in their unchristian works. Paul warns them about this in Colossians 2:8.
God had called the people in the church at Colossae out of their pagan, ascetic way of life, and they had begun to learn how to enjoy life in a balanced manner as God intended. This included eating meat, drinking wine, and enjoying food and fellowship when observing God's Sabbath and festivals.
Because the converted Colossians were learning how to enjoy life as God intended, the people in the ascetic community began to look down on them and condemn them. In addressing these problems, Paul reminds the Colossians that they are complete in Jesus Christ; they have no need for the pagan philosophies of this world (Colossians 2:9-10).
Paul explains in verse 16 why they need not be bothered by the attitude of the Colossian society toward their practices and way of life in the church. To paraphrase, "Do not worry about what the people in the community think about your enjoyment of eating good food, drinking wine, and joyously celebrating the Sabbath and the festivals. Christ has conquered the world and all of its rulers, so we do not need to be concerned about what the world thinks about us."
In verse 17, Paul mentions that the Sabbath and holy days are "shadows," symbols or types, of future events in the plan of God. The Sabbath is a type of the Millennium when Jesus Christ and the saints will rule the world for a thousand years. The holy days symbolize various steps in the plan of God and remind us annually of God's great purpose in creating mankind.
A literal translation of the last few words of Colossians 2:17 reads, "but the body of Christ." What is the body of Christ? I Corinthians 12:27 shows that the body of Christ is the church! The exact same Greek expression that is translated "body of Christ" in I Corinthians 12:27 (soma Christou) is used in Colossians 2:17. Paul tells the Colossians that they should not let any man judge them or call them into question about these things but rather let the church make those judgments. He is pointing the members to the example of the spiritual leaders of the church who set the tone and pattern of worship on the Sabbath and holy days, exhorting them not to worry about what anyone in the community thinks about them. A similar exhortation is given in Colossians 2:18-19.
Far from doing away with the observance of the Sabbath and holy days, Colossians 2:16-17 is one of the strongest proofs that the early church kept these days and that Paul taught the Gentiles to keep them.[/QUOTE]

Just one Q; If the Law has change then why are the Commandments repeated throughout the NT, along with the Sabbath being mentioned and observed 60 times in the NT?

Why must it have changed? You just made an assumption, give me scripture showing that it was changes and what changes were made.

Jesus, by the word "fulfill," meant that he would confirm and complete the prophetic and typological parts of the Law and Prophets. Therefore, (as most Christians will admit) some jots and tittles of the law have passed away -- but by no means all of the law.
The whole Law won't be completed till the second coming of Christ.

I shouldn't even be responding to this post, but your colorful commentary is just right out absurd and nasty. You should be ashamed of yourself.

#3. answer is wrong. It doesn't say anything about killing anyone that doesn't observe the sabbath, it says defileth the Sabbath.
Defileth:

• Make foul, dirty, or unclean; pollute; taint; debase.
• Make impure for ceremonial use; desecrate.
• Sully, as a person's reputation.
• Archaic. Violate the chastity of.

Well knew where this was going. Not here to debate you cause I have no clue who you are. Context, well you took some scriptures out of context. Take "Paul kept it (Sabbath) Acts 17:2. Paul kept the Sabbath, Is that what it says? "As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures". What about all the rest? Hmm So seems for 3 weeks Paul was keeping the Sabbath? For me "as was his custom" is Paul sharing the word/Torah with those Jewish leaders about Christ as the Messiah so on so forth. Yet you left that part out. That verse is not about keeping or not keeping the Sabbath. Luke? Really? Christ and every one of them were all still under the law all were keeping it. He didn't say that to any Church nor any Christian. I should not have to say this. YES we can take everything Christ said and apply it yet He came to His own first. It was Israel to whom He was talking. This love you blessing.. thanks? But your not listening to them. Be very wise to listen, allot of them (haha not me) know what they are talking about.

I watched Tucker talk to this Scientist I think a week ago. That was the reason I watched him. I LIKED that guy. He talked about what others say or publish and he will not just say they are wrong. He will read and study what they said on and on before he said anything. I like that, very wise. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. I can't just read what the Bible says about the Sabbath then run with it. I have to really study and find just what the 12 with Paul did not expect the Gentiles to keep or to follow so forth so on. If we are truly talking about the Sabbath, was that just going to Church on Sunday? Our Church today is of GOD but its not like it was in Act's. So on this "Sabbath" just what did the Jewish people do vs the Jewish believers do and not do? Yeah did the Jewish people just take the day off? Did they follow any "Laws"? So I am grafted in yet expected to keep? Yeah this is where the road splits and goes every where.

It says the apostles kept every Sabbath- this is 30+ years after the Cross- thats a lot of Sabbath observance- as they were commanded to observe everything Jesus commanded of them. Mat 28:18-20



Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, “Men andbrethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 16:13And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

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You still did not answer the Question, why are they there?
What word?

Amen, Danny
Every time you ask someone to explain why the Ten commandments and the Sabbath are mentioned and observed in the NT they can't give an answer.

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I'll make sure to do that.

Jesus, by the word "fulfill," meant that he would confirm and complete the prophetic and typological parts of the Law and Prophets. Therefore, (as most Christians will admit) some jots and tittles of the law have passed away -- but by no means all of the law.
The whole Law won't be completed till the second coming of Christ.

I already said in the other post I'll make sure to do that, but this post is all mine.

issue already addressed