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You just broke the law into sections...."the law of loving others" this is the moral law.
You said Cain had a law of love....
From the start...
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
After quoting many of the 10.
Do you believe in not stealing or killing in not coveting, in not breaking 9 of the 10.
But when the sabbath commandment is mentioned, the law is made void.
Jas 2:8-12
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
You said Cain had a law of love....
From the start...
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
After quoting many of the 10.
Do you believe in not stealing or killing in not coveting, in not breaking 9 of the 10.
But when the sabbath commandment is mentioned, the law is made void.
Jas 2:8-12
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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The laws were part of the covenant.
What is a covenant? An agreement between two sides..
God made it with Israel, and anyone could become part of Israel or part of this covenant by obeying.
Israel failed on their part.
God never failed.
The law is not the covenant.... it was part of it but it is not the covenant.
There are many laws.... some of you disagree, but the laws had different purposes and given in different ways.
Heb 8:6-8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Better covenant, better promises, more excellent ministry...
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
First was faulty, needed a second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Finding fault, God made a new covenant.
If the 10 commandments are the old covenant, then they are faulty, and God gave them Himself, wrote them with His finger in stone, and spoke them to the people.
Does God create faulty laws..
The fault was with the people..
The more excellent part was Christ's blood over the animal blood. And the heavenly ministry over the Earthly.
Heb 9:1-9
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The first was a figure.... the better came in Christ.
The 10 commandments are part of both because they are the moral law that does not change.
What is a covenant? An agreement between two sides..
God made it with Israel, and anyone could become part of Israel or part of this covenant by obeying.
Israel failed on their part.
God never failed.
The law is not the covenant.... it was part of it but it is not the covenant.
There are many laws.... some of you disagree, but the laws had different purposes and given in different ways.
Heb 8:6-8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Better covenant, better promises, more excellent ministry...
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
First was faulty, needed a second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Finding fault, God made a new covenant.
If the 10 commandments are the old covenant, then they are faulty, and God gave them Himself, wrote them with His finger in stone, and spoke them to the people.
Does God create faulty laws..
The fault was with the people..
The more excellent part was Christ's blood over the animal blood. And the heavenly ministry over the Earthly.
Heb 9:1-9
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The first was a figure.... the better came in Christ.
The 10 commandments are part of both because they are the moral law that does not change.
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]Is there a law After Christ ? Yes, the Ten Commandments.
Is that law pointing out sin? all the Commandments point out sin.
We still need a mediator today? No!. Christ die on the cross for us so we wouldn't need a mediator, we can go straight to the Lord through his son in prayer.
The moral law still stands today. It is embedded in your heart and mind. They have been with us from creation. Adom and Eve knew they sinned, God didn't tell them till after they hid their nakedness. That moral law will be with us on the New Earth
The problem is that you do not know what is meant by "commandments". It is absolutely clear that the sabbath has no longer any relevance to the New Testament church. Picking a few verses out of context and ignoring the rest is how erroneous doctrines arise. Sabbath was made for man, specifically the nation of Israel. The OT law is the shadow. I suggest that you get out of the shadows and join the many believers who live in the light.
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Colossians 2:16-17
Yes, the apostle Paul mentioned the Sabbath in his writings. However, there is some debate about the extent to which he upheld the Sabbath. According to the Ministry Magazine, Paul explicitly mentioned the Sabbath only once in Colossians 2:16, where the term occurs in the plural form (in Greek) 1. However, Life, Hope and Truth argues that Paul’s personal example regarding the Sabbath is quite clear. He not only observed the seventh-day Sabbath himself, but also taught Jews and gentiles on the Sabbath day 2.
It is important to note that while Paul constantly refers to the law in his writings, he mentions the Sabbath explicitly only once 1. In addition, several passages in the New Testament are often cited as evidence that the Sabbath is no longer binding, including Romans 14:5-6, Galatians 4:9-11, and Colossians 2:16-17 3. However, these texts pose perhaps the most persuasive arguments against the Sabbatarian position, therefore several brief points need to be made regarding their interpretation 3.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=did+the+apostle+paul+mention+the+Sabbath
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, who wrote much of the New Testament, affirms: “For He [God] has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all His works’ [see Genesis 2:2].... There remains therefore a rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:4, 9).
www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/who-changed-the-sabbath
Even though some of Paul’s writings are “hard to understand” and are therefore misinterpreted (2 Peter 3:15-16), regarding the Sabbath is quite clear. Paul not only observed the seventh-day Sabbath himself, but he also taught Jews and gentiles on the Sabbath day.
How is it clear.
The 10 commandments were given by God as a group of 10. God said 10. Not 9 or 1 or 5 but 10. Those commandments are all through the new Testament, and we are told to keep them.
Why is the Sabbath not relevant today?
It was relevant before sin entered and God gave it to us at creation. When did God take the holy blessing away from the sabbath day?
Don't think that because the multitude believes it, it must be true.
Most of Israel denied Jesus, most people in the dark ages followed tradition rather then truth
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Notice how FEW find it.
I believe the shadow laws have been nailed to the cross but the 10 commandments are not shadow laws. They are moral laws that define righteousness, God's standards don't change.
Some laws could not be changed and that is why Jesus needed to die.
The 10 commandments were given by God as a group of 10. God said 10. Not 9 or 1 or 5 but 10. Those commandments are all through the new Testament, and we are told to keep them.
Why is the Sabbath not relevant today?
It was relevant before sin entered and God gave it to us at creation. When did God take the holy blessing away from the sabbath day?
Don't think that because the multitude believes it, it must be true.
Most of Israel denied Jesus, most people in the dark ages followed tradition rather then truth
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Notice how FEW find it.
I believe the shadow laws have been nailed to the cross but the 10 commandments are not shadow laws. They are moral laws that define righteousness, God's standards don't change.
Some laws could not be changed and that is why Jesus needed to die.
In the scripture it is clear that we are Justified by faith.
The Righteousness of Jesus is a gift.
We do not earn it.
But scripture also states that God's children, the servents of Jesus, those born of the Spirit, those that walk or follow Jesus live a life of obedience.
Rom 2, 6:12,15, James 2,
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
If I was trying to stop people from walking the right path I'd just focus on telling people not to keep the commandments. Praise God we have forgiveness but don't use it to continue in sin.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The Righteousness of Jesus is a gift.
We do not earn it.
But scripture also states that God's children, the servents of Jesus, those born of the Spirit, those that walk or follow Jesus live a life of obedience.
Rom 2, 6:12,15, James 2,
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
If I was trying to stop people from walking the right path I'd just focus on telling people not to keep the commandments. Praise God we have forgiveness but don't use it to continue in sin.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
The law grants you the knowledge of your unrighteousness.
I establish the law because it condemns people like yourself.
Sin is transgression of the law. No one is righteous, no one is holy, the law is telling you this.
Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God.
Your self-condemned. Even worse, your under a delusion that your obeying the law.
You are contradicting what Paul said. Paul told you that you are condemned already, your flesh is dead. Yet, you stand there proclaiming that you can obey the law. Something is fatally wrong in what you teach.
Correct me if I am wrong. You believe that you can obey the law and the rest of humanity failed?
I establish the law because it condemns people like yourself.
Sin is transgression of the law. No one is righteous, no one is holy, the law is telling you this.
Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God.
Your self-condemned. Even worse, your under a delusion that your obeying the law.
You are contradicting what Paul said. Paul told you that you are condemned already, your flesh is dead. Yet, you stand there proclaiming that you can obey the law. Something is fatally wrong in what you teach.
Correct me if I am wrong. You believe that you can obey the law and the rest of humanity failed?
Weird one thinks if a commandment is not repeated, it means it's been deleted, when no scripture tells us that. The Sabbath is mentioned close to 60 times in the NT and will be kept in God's heavenly Kingdom forever Isa 66:22-23
Paul is the author of those scriptures and he already revealed he and the apostles were keeping every Sabbath as were the gentiles and this was 30+ years after the Cross. The blood of Christ ratified His covenant and It Is Finished- meaning nothing could change. So obviously your understanding of Col 2:16 does not reconcile with the Sabbath-keeping of the apostles 30 + years later as they were commissioned to observe everything Jesus commanded. Mat 28:18-20
This doctrine that Paul was in rebellion to what Jesus commanded and taught is not a doctrine from scriptures. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and the Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken and written by God and He said Remember. Paul does not have authority to countermand God, nor would he want to. Jesus taught when we keep our rules/traditions over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten our hearts are far from Him. Paul was a servant of Jesus, the last thing he wanted is his heart far from Him- should not be our goal too because God wants His law in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 to obey faithfully from love. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3
Paul is the author of those scriptures and he already revealed he and the apostles were keeping every Sabbath as were the gentiles and this was 30+ years after the Cross. The blood of Christ ratified His covenant and It Is Finished- meaning nothing could change. So obviously your understanding of Col 2:16 does not reconcile with the Sabbath-keeping of the apostles 30 + years later as they were commissioned to observe everything Jesus commanded. Mat 28:18-20
This doctrine that Paul was in rebellion to what Jesus commanded and taught is not a doctrine from scriptures. Paul taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and the Sabbath is a commandment of God personally spoken and written by God and He said Remember. Paul does not have authority to countermand God, nor would he want to. Jesus taught when we keep our rules/traditions over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten our hearts are far from Him. Paul was a servant of Jesus, the last thing he wanted is his heart far from Him- should not be our goal too because God wants His law in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 to obey faithfully from love. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3
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