the Sabbath

God's way is the way to practice aspects of His eternal character, such as in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to walk in His way that he might know Him, and in Psalms 103:7, God made His way known to Moses, so both Abraham and Moses walked in God's way and taught others to do that in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, and in Deuteronomy 30:16, if the children of Abraham will love God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to posses, so the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

If God made the New Covenant with us that He didn't make with the ancient Israelites and if the the New Covenant contains at least some of the same commandments as the Mosaic Covenant, then the fact that God made the Mosaic Covenant with the ancient Israelites that he hadn't made with their fathers does not show that any of the laws of the Mosaic Covenant were not previously given, and in fact there are many examples of God's laws being given prior to when they were given at Sinai without being told when God first commanded them. For example, in Genesis 4:7, God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and he must master it, which implies that he already knew what sin is and must have already been given laws in that regard. In Genesis 7:2, Noah was told what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told hold to tell the difference, and in 8:20, he knew to offer a clean animal, so he must have already been given laws in that regard. In Genesis 39:9, Joseph knew that it was a sin to commit adultery.

So it is not safe to assume that none of the laws given at Sinai were not given prior to then, though it is also not save to assume that any law was given in the same form prior to when it was given at Sinai. For instance, God could give one person a list of 100 examples of how to act in accordance with His righteousness in various situations and then give a second person a different set of 100 examples of how to do that, so while different examples are used, they are all teaching the same sort of actions because they all have the same principle of righteousness is common. God's character is eternal, so we can expect that any two sets of instructions for how to act in accordance with His character are going to be very similar any any instructions that God has given for how to do that are eternally valid.[/QUOTE

I really liked you post.
I have been trying to say that gods Commandments his Laws, you could say moral laws were embedded in people's hearts and minds, into their very souls. Even without the tablets and before the Commandments were written down for people to fallow people had a moral sense of what was right and wrong, they knew good from bad and rightness from sin.
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." (Gen 26:5)

Blessings, Danny

You made the assertion that the ten commandments are not part of the Law. You need to support that assertion with evidence. Passages from the NT will not cut it.

God's way is the way to practice aspects of His eternal character, such as in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by doing righteousness and justice that the Lord may bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to walk in His way that he might know Him, and in Psalms 103:7, God made His way known to Moses, so both Abraham and Moses walked in God's way and taught others to do that in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom. In Genesis 26:4-5, God will multiply Abraham's children as the stars in the heaven, to his children He will give all of these lands, and through his children all of the nations of the earth will be blessed because Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, and in Deuteronomy 30:16, if the children of Abraham will love God with all of their heart by walking in His way in obedience to His commandments, statutes, and laws, then they will live and multiply and God will bless them in the land that they go to posses, so the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

If God made the New Covenant with us that He didn't make with the ancient Israelites and if the the New Covenant contains at least some of the same commandments as the Mosaic Covenant, then the fact that God made the Mosaic Covenant with the ancient Israelites that he hadn't made with their fathers does not show that any of the laws of the Mosaic Covenant were not previously given, and in fact there are many examples of God's laws being given prior to when they were given at Sinai without being told when God first commanded them. For example, in Genesis 4:7, God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and he must master it, which implies that he already knew what sin is and must have already been given laws in that regard. In Genesis 7:2, Noah was told what to do with clean and unclean animals without being told hold to tell the difference, and in 8:20, he knew to offer a clean animal, so he must have already been given laws in that regard. In Genesis 39:9, Joseph knew that it was a sin to commit adultery.

So it is not safe to assume that none of the laws given at Sinai were not given prior to then, though it is also not save to assume that any law was given in the same form prior to when it was given at Sinai. For instance, God could give one person a list of 100 examples of how to act in accordance with His righteousness in various situations and then give a second person a different set of 100 examples of how to do that, so while different examples are used, they are all teaching the same sort of actions because they all have the same principle of righteousness is common. God's character is eternal, so we can expect that any two sets of instructions for how to act in accordance with His character are going to be very similar any any instructions that God has given for how to do that are eternally valid.

There are 60 referances to the Sabbath in the NT

You misspelled "I'm blind and I cannot understand things of the Spirit".

There are many references to all kinds of sins also. So what's your point?

You have only TWO OPTIONS: Either put yourself under the Law of Christ or put yourself under the Law of Moses. The epistle to the Hebrews makes this clear. Not only that but you are actually OPPOSING God and Christ and RESISTING the Holy Spirit.

The apostle Peter -- formerly a strict Jew -- said this to you: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. (Acts 15:10,11) You are in fact tempting (or testing) God.

Sabbatarians have deluded themselves into thinking that they are the only Christians who obey God. As a matter of fact they are DISOBEYING Him. Only unsaved Jews who have rejected Christ observe the seventh day Sabbath.

Jesus is our rest and we true Christians worship him every day . . .


Matthew 11:28
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ~KJV

You might as well be an Adventist. Your obsession with the Sabbath and your same arguments are spot on with them.

How do you answer the question, "what must I do to be saved?"

Jesus is the Creator, not the creation. He gives rest, He is not rest, the Sabbath day, or a commandment.

There are many references to all kinds of sins also. So what's your point?

You have only TWO OPTIONS: Either put yourself under the Law of Christ or put yourself under the Law of Moses. The epistle to the Hebrews makes this clear. Not only that but you are actually OPPOSING God and Christ and RESISTING the Holy Spirit.

The apostle Peter -- formerly a strict Jew -- said this to you: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. (Acts 15:10,11) You are in fact tempting (or testing) God.

Sabbatarians have deluded themselves into thinking that they are the only Christians who obey God. As a matter of fact they are DISOBEYING Him. Only unsaved Jews who have rejected Christ observe the seventh day Sabbath.

Jesus is the Creator, not the creation. He gives rest, He is not rest, the Sabbath day, or a commandment.

Yes, passages from the NT does cut it seeing that we are no longer under the old covenant the Old Testament laws.
And you need to go back and look at a lot of my post and responses, I do nothing but give scripture and verse after verse after verse to back up what I believe.

There are 60 referances to the Sabbath in the NT

There are many references to all kinds of sins also. So what's your point?

You have only TWO OPTIONS: Either put yourself under the Law of Christ or put yourself under the Law of Moses. The epistle to the Hebrews makes this clear. Not only that but you are actually OPPOSING God and Christ and RESISTING the Holy Spirit.

The apostle Peter -- formerly a strict Jew -- said this to you: Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. (Acts 15:10,11) You are in fact tempting (or testing) God.

Sabbatarians have deluded themselves into thinking that they are the only Christians who obey God. As a matter of fact they are DISOBEYING Him. Only unsaved Jews who have rejected Christ observe the seventh day Sabbath.

Q: How do you explain, or should I say explain away all of the Commandments that are repeated, observed and obeyed in the NT
Q: How do you explain the 60 references to the Sabbath, being observed in the NT


The Sabbath
“In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.” Matt. 28:1.
(Shows the Sabbath was before the first day of the week / Sunday. This is also in Mark, Luke and John.
“And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up: and, as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.” Luke 4:16.
“But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day.” Matt. 24:20. (because the Sabbath is a holly day)
“Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.” Acts 15:21.
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.” Acts 13:42

There are 60 references to the Sabbath in the NT