The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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John146

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The differences are inconsequential. In terms of practical application in the life of a Christian, they are meaningless.
That‘s what I thought. We are to determine which truths are important and which truths are not. Thy word is truth…only with important matters.
 

Dino246

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That‘s what I thought. We are to determine which truths are important and which truths are not. Thy word is truth…only with important matters.
Tell me: When in your Christian life, or the life of any person you have ever heard of, did it matter whether the Lord sent out 70 or 72 disciples?

When?
 

Magenta

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Obviously, but we're talking about different translations within the same language.
The KJ does not use the original words, so despite you going on and on and on about how important the words are?
It makes zero sense regarding the KJ because it is not the original words. So much empty, meaningless talk from you.


Nor was the KJ the first English translation. Then we have the KJ onlyist who goes on and on about the corruption
of more recent translations because different words are used, while admitting there are errors in the KJ itself.


Which only serves to highlight his own double standard.
 

John146

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Tell me: When in your Christian life, or the life of any person you have ever heard of, did it matter whether the Lord sent out 70 or 72 disciples?

When?
I‘m in search for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. It does not matter if it directly applies to me.

“A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.”
 

John146

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The KJ does not use the original words, so despite you going on and on and on about how important the words are?
It makes zero sense regarding the KJ because it is not the original words. So much empty, meaningless talk from you.


Nor was the KJ the first English translation. Then we have the KJ onlyist who goes on and on about the corruption
of more recent translations because different words are used, while admitting there are errors in the KJ itself.


Which only serves to highlight his own double standard.
Why so hostile? I believe the KJV contains the exact, precise, preserved words of God in the English language, as God allowed it to be translated perfectly in one book.
 

John146

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Tell me: When in your Christian life, or the life of any person you have ever heard of, did it matter whether the Lord sent out 70 or 72 disciples?

When?
Why study or read most of the Bible? How much of it really pertains to you?
 

Lanolin

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If thats your belief, thats great. But you will then be forever arguing with people that dont share that belief.

Its a bit comical watching as someone believes one translation is perfect while another acts like a nitpicking proofreader and says it not, but then fails to come up with any one translation that might ever satisfy them.

I guess its kinda like computers, one holds to mac, other to android, and another still types on a typewriter. Maybe they all need a reboot.

Or maybe you can be like some believers claim that be careful how you live or what you say as YOU are the only Bible an unbeliever will ever read.
 

John146

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If thats your belief, thats great. But you will then be forever arguing with people that dont share that belief.

Its a bit comical watching as someone believes one translation is perfect while another acts like a nitpicking proofreader and says it not, but then fails to come up with any one translation that might ever satisfy them.

I guess its kinda like computers, one holds to mac, other to android, and another still types on a typewriter. Maybe they all need a reboot.

Or maybe you can be like some believers claim that be careful how you live or what you say as YOU are the only Bible an unbeliever will ever read.
Correct brother. These that argue the KJV onlyism do not believe any Bible is the preserved word of God without error, therefore, have no alternative to compare.
 

Bible_Highlighter

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If thats your belief, thats great. But you will then be forever arguing with people that dont share that belief.

Its a bit comical watching as someone believes one translation is perfect while another acts like a nitpicking proofreader and says it not, but then fails to come up with any one translation that might ever satisfy them.

I guess its kinda like computers, one holds to mac, other to android, and another still types on a typewriter. Maybe they all need a reboot.

Or maybe you can be like some believers claim that be careful how you live or what you say as YOU are the only Bible an unbeliever will ever read.
God’s Word is not like a Mac computer. Do you think the ark of the covenant that had the tablets of the Ten Commandments were like a Mac computer? If somebody touched the ark, they would have been killed. Why? Because it was holy. But your Bible lies when it says, “Holy Bible” on it. In your view it is really a holey bible, a book full of holes or errors and not a Holy Bible that is divine and perfect (like the real “Book of the LORD“ would be).

There are several reasons or possibilities why a person could reject a perfect Word.

#1. The idea of a perfect Word is not appealing to a person. Even if there would be a perfect Bible that came down from Heaven, it would not matter to this individual. This person would still reject it because they don’t want a perfect Bible. Just as there were Israelites who rejected God despite there being a holy Ark and actual tablets that were written with the finger of God. They don’t want to be under God’s authority precisely or perfectly and they want to sort of follow God their own way.

#2. A person may have been deceived by the impressive words, and magic trick of Modern Scholarship, and it is a matter of pride or fear out of lack of fellowship that they may incur. This person either does not want to be persecuted for standing up for the Bible, or they cannot fathom that most of Christianity could be wrong.

#3. The truth simply could not have been revealed to them yet. David Cloud thought KJV believers were crazy, until he did his own research on both sides objectively and sought out the truth on the matter.

#4. They could have a false conversion and they really are not born again or changed by God’s Word whereby God revealed to them by His Spirit that His Word is holy and perfect as it says.

There are plenty of verses for a person to believe in a perfect Word that is preserved.
The Bible says that Scriptures cannot be broken or how it is incorruptible the Word of God.
The Bible teaches that his words would be in a Book in the end times in Isaiah 34:16.
The Bible says we are to speak the same thing. This is only possible if there is one Word of God and not multiple conflicting versions.
So really the issue is a matter of faith and spiritual discernment on this matter.
It also comes down to whether somebody is a real truth seeker rather than following the popular crowd, as well.
Most do not want to be persecuted for the Word and they don’t want to make any waves. They want to fit in, and be accepted.

Some have been so deeply ingrained or brainwashed into Modern Scholarship that they cannot see the forest from the trees and they will see believing the Bible that existed for hundreds of years that Christians trusted by faith as ridiculous. Even when the best arguments are put forth, their mind is already closed like a bear trap. All evidence for trusting in a perfect and preserved Bible must be twisted to show there is no such Bible.

Side Note:

As for Android computers: Well, to my knowledge, they are not really that popular and as well advanced to handle big projects and or serious computer work. The more common forms of desktop computers are either PC (Windows / Microsoft) or MAC (macOS / Apple).

Android desktop computers are not as common as traditional desktop computers running operating systems like Windows, macOS, or Linux. Android is primarily designed for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets. However, there have been attempts to create Android-based desktop systems, often referred to as Android desktop or Android PC.

These Android desktops are not as widespread as traditional desktop systems, and their usage is generally more niche. Some companies have released products that combine the Android operating system with desktop-like hardware, providing a different computing experience. But their features or multiple capabilities are not as rich like a regular PC or MAC.

I hope this helps, and may God bless you.
 

Bible_Highlighter

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If thats your belief, thats great. But you will then be forever arguing with people that dont share that belief.

Its a bit comical watching as someone believes one translation is perfect while another acts like a nitpicking proofreader and says it not, but then fails to come up with any one translation that might ever satisfy them.

I guess its kinda like computers, one holds to mac, other to android, and another still types on a typewriter. Maybe they all need a reboot.

Or maybe you can be like some believers claim that be careful how you live or what you say as YOU are the only Bible an unbeliever will ever read.
Read this verse really slowly.

Jeremiah 23:29
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”

Doesn’t sound like a Modern Bible to me because they are full of holes and errors. His Word cannot be a book that can be like a fire and like a hammer if it is imperfect at times. Only God’s pure book can truly be like a fire and like a hammer that can change us radically. But one needs to believe the Bible by faith when it talks about its own purity and preservation. One cannot expect the King James Bible to be anything special to them if they don’t believe what it says to begin with. To them, all things on this Earth are impure.
 

Bible_Highlighter

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You aren't paying attention. Labels themselves aren't the problem. And I've already discussed biblical labels and their use. I didn't say I don't use labels. I said I don't use certain labels that are extra biblical because the are often used pejoratively.
What I'm not holding to is your misunderstanding of what I'm actually saying.
If you use certain extra-biblical labels and at other times you don’t use other ones, this is not consistent in your belief system.
The only way that you could prove otherwise is if you can show that ALL Calvinists do not like the label of Calvinist and they all see it as an insulting label. Some prefer the term, "Reformed." Either way, they have a label that they use. Besides, even the Bible refers to Sadducees because they did not believe in a bodily resurrection (See: Matthew 22:23). So this is an example that one can give a label to describe a certain wrong belief system. It's not wrong to use such labels if they are in existence already and as long as they are not created with the intent to make fun of the other person or group. You also have to remember, that Jesus called others serpents, and white-washed tombs. So I believe you are overreacting over minor terms that groups accept themselves. At least, your belief here is not in line with what the Bible says exactly and or the real world we live in. We should try to be loving with our words, but to go to the extreme of not mentioning the names of certain beliefs or a church name that they even accept is pretty silly and extreme. If you stand by and see others insult us King James Bible believers, then that is far worse (even if you did not agree with such said belief). That would be far more unloving than terms that other groups accept that you would consider offensive (When it really isn't).
 

Bible_Highlighter

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You aren't paying attention. Labels themselves aren't the problem. And I've already discussed biblical labels and their use. I didn't say I don't use labels. I said I don't use certain labels that are extra biblical because the are often used pejoratively.
What I'm not holding to is your misunderstanding of what I'm actually saying.
You obviously have a problem with certain labels, otherwise you would not bring up the problem to begin with.
 

Dino246

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As one reads a modern version the Holy Spirit will correct the words and correct the errors?🤔
Which part of "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: " do you not believe?
 

Bible_Highlighter

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If thats your belief, thats great. But you will then be forever arguing with people that dont share that belief.

Its a bit comical watching as someone believes one translation is perfect while another acts like a nitpicking proofreader and says it not, but then fails to come up with any one translation that might ever satisfy them.

I guess its kinda like computers, one holds to mac, other to android, and another still types on a typewriter. Maybe they all need a reboot.

Or maybe you can be like some believers claim that be careful how you live or what you say as YOU are the only Bible an unbeliever will ever read.
Obviously, King James Bible believers believe the way they do for really good reasons. Most who side with Modern Scholarship do not bother to be a good Berean and have a readiness of mind (open mind) and search the Scriptures to see whether those things are so or not. Their minds are already closed like a bear trap and so any evidence the KJB is immediately cast aside as if they don’t even exist. They are not even considered and thus, they cannot see or understand why the KJB believer believes the way he or she does. So then the mocking and or carnal rationalizations begin. It never occurred to them of the possibility that they could be wrong if the Bible is correct when it speaks about its own purity and preservation. They did not consider that the Scriptures really cannot be broken as the Bible says. They did not stop and think rationally that we are all to speak the same thing as the Bible says. These reasons are thrown aside like dung. Modern Scholarship is more correct than that ole dusty Bible trusted for centuries by simple Bible believing Christians.
 

Cameron143

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If you use certain extra-biblical labels and at other times you don’t use other ones, this is not consistent in your belief system.
The only way that you could prove otherwise is if you can show that ALL Calvinists do not like the label of Calvinist and they all see it as an insulting label. Some prefer the term, "Reformed." Either way, they have a label that they use. Besides, even the Bible refers to Sadducees because they did not believe in a bodily resurrection (See: Matthew 22:23). So this is an example that one can give a label to describe a certain wrong belief system. It's not wrong to use such labels if they are in existence already and as long as they are not created with the intent to make fun of the other person or group. You also have to remember, that Jesus called others serpents, and white-washed tombs. So I believe you are overreacting over minor terms that groups accept themselves. At least, your belief here is not in line with what the Bible says exactly and or the real world we live in. We should try to be loving with our words, but to go to the extreme of not mentioning the names of certain beliefs or a church name that they even accept is pretty silly and extreme. If you stand by and see others insult us King James Bible believers, then that is far worse (even if you did not agree with such said belief). That would be far more unloving than terms that other groups accept that you would consider offensive (When it really isn't).
It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who knows what you mean more than you know what you mean. Since I don't possess this gift, I guess I will simply have to content myself with the knowledge that my understanding is no longer my own, but yours.
Grace and peace.