TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

Since when should the Creator violate his covenants to align with your faulty doctrine and baseless opinion?

So tell us what covenants exist.

What covenant does not find Christ as its fulfillment? What covenant allows for a partition to be placed between people groups?

Yes, there is a covenant that singles out the nation of Israel. God made a covenant with the children of Israel that they land of Israel would be theirs forever.

In Matthew 24:31, to make good on that Covenant, he will gather the house of Israel still scattered into the nations back to the land of Israel.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Deuteronomy 30:

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

The words blessing and curse tell you it is the old covenant. It no longer exists. Anything eternal in that covenant was pointing to the new covenant and is fulfilled in Christ. All the temporal promises had to be fulfilled in order for the covenant to come to an end.
The prophecies themselves find their fulfillment in Christ. All that is pictured literally and temporally prefigure Christ and the spiritual. Romans 1...the invisible things of God are understood by the things that are seen.
Why was Israel chosen in the first place?

^ So @Cameron143 , you believe that Matthew 25:31-34,41 "ye blessed / ye cursed" [/Matt19:28 time-wise and with Lk22:30] was completely "fulfilled" [done / finished] at the time of the Cross?? (or Cross / Resurrection?) Not a moment past this point?

Heb7:22 - "By so much also, Jesus has become the guarantee [/a surety] of a better covenant."

^ Rev7:4 "the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel" existed (and did their role here in this text) before the Cross [/Resurrection]??



Just wondering... how that can be a thing? = )

No. But it was coming to a head in 70 AD. The old covenant didn't vanish overnight. It took time for the new covenant to fully come in. The gospels and epistles needed to be written and the church to be extended to the known world. Then, at this point, Jesus said the end would come...to the end of the age.

I appreciate your scholarship and your demeanor greatly. So what is God's purpose in bringing in the new covenant? Why choose that particular point in time? What is, boiled down to say three themes, is the book of Revelation concerned with? How is it related to the covenant made in Deuteronomy? Why was Israel formed into a nation? How do they picture the people of God in all times? How do they differ?

That's alot of questions. Perhaps the purpose of Revelation and its relationship to Deuteronomy is enough to start.

Not sure your point here.

No. This happened in the intertestamental period as Jewish believers were scattered. They took the gospel with them as the left Jerusalem for safer lodgings.

^ @Cameron143, when did "the 12" do this: "[shall] sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" ? (Matt19:28 [parallel TIMING with Matt25:31-34] / Lk22:30,16,18)

The Mt. Sinai covenant did not atone for their sins, as though they never happened. The new covenant in Christ does. The Mt. Sinai covenant waxed old as it was a stop-gap measure until Jesus the messiah shed his blood for the atonement of their sins.

But that does not delete the promises God made to Israel in the Mt. Sinai covenant regarding the land of Israel being given to the children of Israel as theirs forever.

Ezekiel 39:28 and Matthew 24:31 bears that out. Both of those passages are about the final in-gathering of the house of Israel to the land of Israel.

btw, the promises in Deuteronomy 30 are a continuation of the covenant of Deuteronomy 29.

Deuteronomy 29:
1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.

Don't know off the top of my head. Would have to look at it. How about the answers to my questions?

How are provisions of a covenant still active when the covenant no longer exists?

^ @Cameron143 ,

And why does Rev4:1 say this:


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[after what things?? It seems to me that you think Rev7:4, for example, takes place BEFORE chpts 2-3, no?]

Clueless village idiot or brazen God defying heretic?

The evidence is mounting one way or the other.

aawwww Mr meany pants. 😋

Scrupulously parsing scripture to measure the truth is not his bag.
He's a 70AD one trick pony.

And the vagaries and vicissitudes of the Book of Revelation is waaaay beyond his paygrade.
It is far too OT saturated for his liking. All this business about 144,000 Israeli commando preachers, two resurrected Jewish OT witnesses who are described as olive trees and menorah is probably a stench in his nostrils.

Somebody better inform this person that Israelites are in Israel right now today.
Which should be sufficient evidence to shake sense into any 70 A.D. nutter.

Oh well.......maybe 70th week of Daniel tribulation demons from the abyss circling his house screaming bloody murder will be enough? But I doubt it.

Parts of the Mt Sinai covenant are forever. There is plenty of observable confirmation. Israel a nation again back in the land, on May 14, 1948. Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967. The tensions between Israel and the surrounding Muslim nations.
Dispute over who the land belongs to.

Why ignore what is going on right before your eyes ?