TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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iamsoandso

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I'm asking why you believe what is written concerning judgment in the OT didn't occur shortly after it was spoken?
I do believe it could have future fulfillment as well, but I see no reason to assume it didn't also occur in a near time frame as well. This is what I was asking about.

So do you believe there are multiple days of the Lord/multiple days of Judgment? To me either the 1000 years in Revelation are future or they are past(I see future) but if the nations were judged after the 1000 years as in Revelation in ad70 then the Millennial would then be prior to ad70 and so I'm asking you if you believe they have.
 

Cameron143

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Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Satan got hit with a haymaker to the left jaw and he fell to the canvas, when the seventy disciples began casting out demons. Back at the time Jesus sent them to preach the kingdom of God was at hand.

Differently, in Revelation 12:7-9, Michael and his angels will make war with Satan and his angels in the second heaven. And Satan and his angels cast down to earth, in the end times. Michael's actions corresponds to Daniel 12:1.

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Why aren't all three the same thing. Isn't the power given to the 70 the same power at work in believers today? Was it not also manifested in great power in the early church? Could this be what was meant when Jesus said that He would build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it?
 

Cameron143

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So do you believe there are multiple days of the Lord/multiple days of Judgment? To me either the 1000 years in Revelation are future or they are past(I see future) but if the nations were judged after the 1000 years as in Revelation in ad70 then the Millennial would then be prior to ad70 and so I'm asking you if you believe they have.
There are many judgments. There is one day of the Lord. The other judgments prefigure that day.
I don't believe the 1000 year reign is a literal 1000 years and believe we are presently in it.
 

iamsoandso

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There are many judgments. There is one day of the Lord. The other judgments prefigure that day.
I don't believe the 1000 year reign is a literal 1000 years and believe we are presently in it.

Then whether I see the Mill. future or as in your case you see us in it we both see Rev. 20:3-7 as future and that the nations have not received that judgment yet? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20.htm
 

cv5

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What covenant exists or will exist by which God will deal with solely the nation Israel?
Oh and another thing:

There are many "types" of the AC in the Bible.
Pharaoh. Haman. Balak. Absalom. Goliath. Judas indwelt by Satan himself.
ALL OF WHOM were "Satan's men", who were endeavoring to do Satan's will: DESTROY ALL ISRAEL and wipe them out of existence.
Furthermore, to wreck God's plan of salvation thereby and therewith.

Of course God Himself THWARTED THESE SATANIC PLANS OF DESTRUCTION!

And you have the unfettered audacity to tell us that the Book of Revelation DOES NOT speak in the most compelling terms imaginable of the "FINAL (AND MOST POTENT!) FORM" of the AC who is fully engaged in an urgent diabolical scheme to DESTORY ALL ISRAEL?
And that this AC is he whom Jesus Lord and God the Greater Shepard of Israel will kill effortlessly at the Second Coming and thwart these plans the same way Samson killed the young lion and David killed Goliath?

Surely you DO NOT believe that. Because only an idiot, heretic or apostate would disseminate such vicious lies.
 

douggg

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Why aren't all three the same thing. Isn't the power given to the 70 the same power at work in believers today? Was it not also manifested in great power in the early church? Could this be what was meant when Jesus said that He would build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it?
Jesus seeing Satan fall from heaven in Luke 10:18 was because of the power of Jesus's name over Satan.

All three are not the same thing, because the event of Revelation 12:7-9 is triggered when the 7th trumpet angel sounds. A non human directed act that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. In Revelation 9, the star falling from heaven is Satan cast down to earth, tossed the keys to the bottomless pit to release the flesh tormenting locust creatures.

Here is a chart I made... showing the angels sounding their trumpets.

the seven seals g.jpg .
 

Cameron143

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Oh and another thing:

There are many "types" of the AC in the Bible.
Pharaoh. Haman. Balak. Absalom. Goliath. Judas indwelt by Satan himself.
ALL OF WHOM were "Satan's men", who were endeavoring to do Satan's will: DESTROY ALL ISRAEL and wipe them out of existence.
Furthermore, to wreck God's plan of salvation thereby and therewith.

Of course God Himself THWARTED THESE SATANIC PLANS OF DESTRUCTION!

And you have the unfettered audacity to tell us that the Book of Revelation DOES NOT speak in the most compelling terms imaginable of the "FINAL (AND MOST POTENT!) FORM" of the AC who is fully engaged in an urgent diabolical scheme to DESTORY ALL ISRAEL?
And that this AC is he whom Jesus Lord and God the Greater Shepard of Israel will kill effortlessly at the Second Coming and thwart these plans the same way Samson killed the young lion and David killed Goliath?

Surely you DO NOT believe that. Because only an idiot, heretic or apostate would disseminate such vicious lies.
Despite your fury, you never actually answered my question. All your exciited blather was simply a tirade of assumption and accusation. Would you care to answer the question?
 

Cameron143

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Jesus seeing Satan fall from heaven in Luke 10:18 was because of the power of Jesus's name over Satan.

All three are not the same thing, because the event of Revelation 12:7-9 is triggered when the 7th trumpet angel sounds. A non human directed act that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. In Revelation 9, the star falling from heaven is Satan cast down to earth, tossed the keys to the bottomless pit to release the flesh tormenting locust creatures.

Here is a chart I made... showing the angels sounding their trumpets.

View attachment 259665 .
Satan falling from heaven was a non human thing.
It's a well thought out chart, but it presupposes your understanding?
Do you believe the book of Revelation is chronological?
 

Kroogz

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Oh and another thing:

There are many "types" of the AC in the Bible.
Pharaoh. Haman. Balak. Absalom. Goliath. Judas indwelt by Satan himself.
ALL OF WHOM were "Satan's men", who were endeavoring to do Satan's will: DESTROY ALL ISRAEL and wipe them out of existence.
Furthermore, to wreck God's plan of salvation thereby and therewith.

Of course God Himself THWARTED THESE SATANIC PLANS OF DESTRUCTION!

And you have the unfettered audacity to tell us that the Book of Revelation DOES NOT speak in the most compelling terms imaginable of the "FINAL (AND MOST POTENT!) FORM" of the AC who is fully engaged in an urgent diabolical scheme to DESTORY ALL ISRAEL?
And that this AC is he whom Jesus Lord and God the Greater Shepard of Israel will kill effortlessly at the Second Coming and thwart these plans the same way Samson killed the young lion and David killed Goliath?

Surely you DO NOT believe that. Because only an idiot, heretic or apostate would disseminate such vicious lies.
when you say all Isreal do you mean all Jews 🤔.

You must do surely.

Because the way I see the bible is all of Isreal will never be destroyed.

So no only a idiot heretic would ask this question.