TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[Cameron143]

Verse 1 must shortly come to pass - shortly from God's perspective. Living at the time of John, a person would probably think differently, i.e. shortly from their perspective. In retrospect, after 2000 years - it means from God's perspective.

Verse 3 the time is at hand - for people who read Revelation in earnest, the time is at hand to live their lives in faith of what would someday take place.

Verse 7 those who pierced him - the people of the prince to come, the Roman army of the fourth kingdom. End times fourth kingdom is manifest as the EU. To see Jesus coming in the clouds in Revelation 1:7.

Jesus coming in the clouds is in Matthew 24:30, after the gospel of the kingdom has been preach to all nations in Matthew 24:14. And in the generation of the parable of the fig tree. So it turns out to be 2000 years from the time John received Revelation.

Was the gospel preached to the whole world in the 1st century?
I would agree that sometimes time is relative with God. But when it is He uses numbers symbolically. Not the case here.
At hand means imminent. And this is the way Jesus uses it in the gospels concerning the kingdom.
There is no indication that those who pierced Him is the future Roman army or that there will be a future army. There is no Roman empire any longer. The RCC is not an empire in the vain of Babylon, Persia, Greece or Rome.
The only way to make these assumptions about these verses is to start with other assumptions and fit these in. The plain reading is imminency. Same is true concerning the rapture.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

So if one doesn't receive the Son as an acceptable sacrifice for their sins they can still please God with animal sacrifices?

Since "Animal sacrifices" NEVER "pleased God (they only served to "Hide" Israel's sin temporarily - it's detailed ion Hebrews), then in 2024, they'd be just as useless, AND additionally blasphemous, since they were an "anti-type" of God's REAL SOLUTION - Jesus. Everybody that DENYS Jesus as Messiah is hell-bound.

Jewish beliefs about it are nothing but RELIGIOUS GARBAGE, but the fools will build their temple anyway.

 

[douggg]

Was the gospel preached to the whole world in the 1st century?
I would agree that sometimes time is relative with God. But when it is He uses numbers symbolically. Not the case here.
At hand means imminent. And this is the way Jesus uses it in the gospels concerning the kingdom.
There is no indication that those who pierced Him is the future Roman army or that there will be a future army. There is no Roman empire any longer. The RCC is not an empire in the vain of Babylon, Persia, Greece or Rome.
The only way to make these assumptions about these verses is to start with other assumptions and fit these in. The plain reading is imminency. Same is true concerning the rapture.

Jesus's return in the clouds is in Matthew 24:30. In the parable of the fig tree, in Matthew 24:32-34, that generation would not pass without seeing Jesus's return. You are living in that generation !

 

[cv5]

no I'm the captain of Observation, on how much of a cracked egg you are. 😊

I've got a guitar to, right now I'm stringing some chords to blow all your cobwebs into oblivion.

Especially your latest conspiracy in this post,

but nice try dip stick 😋

There may be those who are earnestly seeking your sagacious council in matters of protocol and etiquette, however infinitesimally remote that may be.

I however am not one of them.

However, I bid you please do enjoy your machoistic penchant of being made a fool of by notorious serial heretics.

Oh and BTW.....tell us again how the Apostle Paul was endlessly indulgent and patient with inveterate heretics and apostates?
Post relevant Bible passages if you are indeed able.

Oh and here you go buddy. I did not want to leave you so severely intellectually disarmed in the course of my response:

inveterate
adjective
in·vet·er·ate in-ˈve-t(ə-)rət
Synonyms of inveterate
1
: confirmed in a habit : HABITUAL
an inveterate liar

2: firmly established by long persistence
the inveterate tendency to overlook the obvious

 

[cv5]

Since "Animal sacrifices" NEVER "pleased God (they only served to "Hide" Israel's sin temporarily - it's detailed ion Hebrews), then in 2024, they'd be just as useless, AND additionally blasphemous, since they were an "anti-type" of God's REAL SOLUTION - Jesus. Everybody that DENYS Jesus as Messiah is hell-bound.

Jewish beliefs about it are nothing but RELIGIOUS GARBAGE, but the fools will build their temple anyway.

The Old Covenant sacrifices were a "sweet savor" to God (pleasing Him)......REMINDING HIM of the PERFECT SACRIFICE yet to come.

Furthermore, the animals so sacrificed........ARE indeed sinless.

However, these same ritual sacrifices DONE WITHOUT FAITH in the Perfect One to come were a stench in the nostrils of God.
For obvious reasons.

Gen 8:21
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Exo 29:18
And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the LORD: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Exo 29:25
And thou shalt receive them of their hands, and burn them upon the altar for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour before the LORD: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Exo 29:41
And the other lamb thou shalt offer at even, and shalt do thereto according to the meat offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

2Co 2:15
For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

And YES, there will CERTAINLY be ritual sacrifices taking place during the Millenium in the Millennial Temple in Jerusalem.

Eze 43:18
And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.

Eze 43:22
And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus's return in the clouds is in Matthew 24:30. In the parable of the fig tree, in Matthew 24:32-34, that generation would not pass without seeing Jesus's return. You are living in that generation !

It doesn't feel like the first century to me.

 

[douggg]

It doesn't feel like the first century to me.

Not supposed to.

May 14, 1948, fulfillment of Isaiah 66:7-8 a nation born in a single day, fulfilled.

 

[Cameron143]

Not supposed to.

May 14, 1948, fulfillment of Isaiah 66:7-8 a nation born in a single day, fulfilled.

Isaiah 66 is speaking of a spiritual kingdom. Pentecost is the fulfillment. The man child is Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

sir your explaining the rise of the satan kingdoms in the flesh aspect where satan rules over men,

I'm explaining symbolic spiritual aspect of it and fulfillment of it.

im explaining the spiritual aspect of what the eyes don't see and what those who are only authorised to see.

Jesus showed us the fulfillment in the spiritual aspect of what you have wrote in full of the carnal aspect.

But what is the spiritual symbolic aspect of what stage of tribulation we are in.

ohhhhhh okay now I see

“im explaining the spiritual aspect of what the eyes don't see and what those who are only authorised to see.”

I think you are basically interpreting everything instead of just reading what it says honestly that’s not at all how I study the Bible I’m sorry I don’t think we’re gonna find any fruit on this subject

God bless though

 

[douggg]

Isaiah 66 is speaking of a spiritual kingdom. Pentecost is the fulfillment. The man child is Christ.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Zion is Israel.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Isaiah 66 is speaking of a spiritual kingdom. Pentecost is the fulfillment. The man child is Christ.

Man child indeed means son

 

[cv5]

There may be those who are earnestly seeking your sagacious council in matters of protocol and etiquette, however infinitesimally remote that may be.

I however am not one of them.

However, I bid you please do enjoy your machoistic penchant of being made a fool of by notorious serial heretics.

Oh and BTW.....tell us again how the Apostle Paul was endlessly indulgent and patient with inveterate heretics and apostates?
Post relevant Bible passages if you are indeed able.

Oh and here you go buddy. I did not want to leave you so severely intellectually disarmed in the course of my response:

inveterate
adjective
in·vet·er·ate in-ˈve-t(ə-)rət
Synonyms of inveterate
1
: confirmed in a habit : HABITUAL
an inveterate liar

2: firmly established by long persistence
the inveterate tendency to overlook the obvious

Oops. Masochistic. There you go @Thunderrr-mental buddy.

I even corrected my spelling for you. Because I care.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Zion is Israel.

“but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,

and to an innumerable company of angels,

to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭

 

[cv5]

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Zion is Israel.

Clearly and obviously and every single time......without exception.

As I said before......only an idiot an heretic or an apostate could possibly think otherwise.

 

[Cameron143]

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Zion is Israel.

Zion is spiritual Israel. Not all of Israel is Israel.

 

[cv5]

Zion is spiritual Israel. Not all of Israel is Israel.

Get a clue. Not all Israel is Israel as far back as Korah, Dathan and Abiram.

 

[Cameron143]

Get a clue. Not all Israel is Israel as far back as Korah, Dathan and Abiram.

...but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are of the flesh these are not the children of God...
Spiritual.

 

[Kroogz]

I get the connection. Is that the only connection? What and who ended the curses? When did it occur?

Rev 22~~1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of

Gen3:
Cursed is the ground because of you;

With [h]hard labor you shall eat from it

All the days of your life.

18“Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;

Yet you shall eat the plants of the field;

19By the sweat of your face

You shall eat bread,

Until you return to the ground,

Because from it you were taken;

For you are dust,

And to dust you shall return.”
Rev 21:4~~and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

 

[Cameron143]

Rev 22~~1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of

Gen3:
Cursed is the ground because of you;

With [h]hard labor you shall eat from it

All the days of your life.

18“Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;

Yet you shall eat the plants of the field;

19By the sweat of your face

You shall eat bread,

Until you return to the ground,

Because from it you were taken;

For you are dust,

And to dust you shall return.”
Rev 21:4~~and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

Hopefully at some point you will make your point plain.

 

[douggg]

“but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,

That verse is referring to the heavenly Jerusalem. The Zion in Isaiah 66:7-8 is here on earth. Zion in those verses is Israel.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.