everything is predestined?

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I believe the Bible tells us we do NOT have free will. Our will is a slave to one of two things, we are a slave to sin, or a slave of Christ.
This is what Jesus says. We obviously have choice, we are told to chose wisely, and to obey. We are held responsible for these choices we make, so I'm not saying that we don't choose. We do choose, but our "will" is a slave to our nature. That being a sin nature of Christ nature. So when people say "free will" I understand what they mean, but the truth is we do not have "free will", only choice.
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Nope. We are WILLING bondslaves. We have CHOSEN to have our ear pierced and love and serve the Master forever.

Because we have come to know that He is......good.

Deu 15:17
“then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise.
 
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When it comes to predestination I know every event written in the bible was foreknown and had a specific date assigned to it from creation.
 
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Rondonmon said:
This comes from LACK OF KNOWLEDGE


As does THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS....................

Both of your understandings of what Paul is referring unto would be quenched if you would dig in, God says only those who seek Him with all their hears will find Him ad thus understand His ways. By reading the bible and looking at God's Spirit an ESSENCE of who He is it would soon come to most God is not a slave driving God who seeks to rule over "Computer Generated Beings" or else that is what He would have already done and you would be under His ALL POWEFEUL WILL, repeating just what He wanted you to say, soo your logic is lacking at best, it is nonsensical, tbh.

So, what does Paul mean via this Predestination? He is simply saying God PREDESTINATED us all unto life evermore via Jesus Christ, THE SACRIFICE that takes away the sins of all the world, but of course if men choose not to receive that FREE GIFT, they can, because God gave us free will, you can choose God or chose Satan, who won our Kingdom by tricking Adam & Eve. That's right, God GAVE Adam Dominion over this whole world, and Satan tricked him out of his Birthright and dominion.

So, God CHOSE US ALL......The bible tells us that also, but we must dig it out "here a little, there a little, line upon line", that is how the bible must be read in order to understand it......Thus the bible CLEARLY STATES that God WOULD NOT that any man should perish but that ALL MEN would have everlasting life through Jesus Christ. Do you get that sirs? It says God wants EVERY MAN to repent but you are inferring that God CHOOSES certain men, but that would make God a liar, and we all known He is not a liar.

I wonder if everyone understands why God told Abraham to Sacrifice his child !! God was showing Abraham and all mankind that God loved the world so much He was going to have to Sacrifice his only begotten Son in order to save mankind from their sins. That is what Paul meant by God PREDESTINED Jesus as a Sacrifice long go, before the Foundations of the world God knew He was going to have to send His son Jesus to redeem mankind. If pnev reads that Old English very carefully, they can finally see that is what Paul means, God PREDESTINED a Sacrifice for us because God foreknew we would need one. Thus He PREDESTI9NED us all unto life, not JUST some men, but ALL MEN.........................but sadly ALL MEN will not accept that free gift, of life. Some Condemned men are tricked by Satan who cleverly lies unto them until he captures their darkened souls.
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God did predestine (determine beforehand) that Jesus would be a sacrifice for them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did pre-destinate, them he also called; and whom he called, them he also justified; and whom he justified, them he also glorified (Rom 8:28-30).

I noticed that you have referenced 2 Pet 3:9 and have interpreted it falsely.

In order to keep this verse in context, we have to determine who Peter is addressing, And it is to them that have obtained like precious faith (2 Pet 1:1). who are the children of promise (Rom 9:8).

These people have fellowship with God, if they keep his commandments (John 15:10). Peter is giving them a warning, even including himself by using the word "US-WARD" that when they commit a sin, they should repent or they will perish=death=separate themselves from God's fellowship, and God is not willing that any of them should perish.
 
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Omegatime said:
When it comes to predestination I know every event written in the bible was foreknown and had a specific date assigned to it from creation.
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Foreknowledge is not the same a predestination. You are correct regarding foreknowledge, since God knows the end from the beginning. But He did NOT decree all the sin and evil that has existed and continues to exist.
 
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Jesus’ words in John 6:65
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ForestGreenCook said:
...he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son
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Notice that it does not say that "he did predestinate to be justified". It says "to be conformed to the image of his son". Two very different things. Only those who have been justified by grace through faith are predestined to be totally transformed into the likeness of Christ.
 
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peldom10 said:
Nothing happens without God's allowing such to happen. Be guided by the book of Job.
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This is a true statement, but God does predestine his elect's eternal inheritance, however, God gives all mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his life here on earth, including his elect.
 
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HatedForNoReason said:
You can't change a goat to a sheep.
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Zec. 10:3Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle.

If a flock of sheep can become a horse, and God can become a man, then a goat can be born again into a sheep.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Notice that it does not say that "he did predestinate to be justified". It says "to be conformed to the image of his son". Two very different things. Only those who have been justified by grace through faith are predestined to be totally transformed into the likeness of Christ.
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We are not justified by our faith, which is filthy rags (Isa 64:6), But we are justified by the faith of Jesus (Gal 2:16).
 
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PaulThomson said:
Zec. 10:3Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle.

If a flock of sheep can become a horse, and God can become a man, then a goat can be born again into a sheep.
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S of S says he "compared" his sheep to a company of horses. He didn't actually change them into horses.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
God does predestine his elect's eternal inheritance.
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No disagreement from me there.....

That is the plan.

Eph 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
But we are justified by the faith of Jesus (Gal 2:16).
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That is incorrect. Our faith is NOT filthy rags at all. If it were we would not have these verses: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Rom 3:28) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: (Rom 5:1)

And it is not "the faith of Christ" but by " your faith in Christ": Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers (Eph 1:15,16)

In Galatians 2:16 it is "faith from Christ" -- πίστεως Χριστοῦ -- not "faith of Christ". How is faith from Christ, other than through the hearing (or reading) of the Gospel? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (the Gospel). (Rom 10:17) Therefore we also have this: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (Rom 10:14, 15)

There would be no need of the Gospel according to your false theology. God would simply give the gift of faith to the so-called "elect".
 
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1Co 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

Usually Christians think that it is "all about us". It ain't.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
God did predestine (determine beforehand) that Jesus would be a sacrifice for them who are the called according to his purpose.
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And what is Gods purpose? His showbread.

Heb 9:2
For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

John 6:35
And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

John 5:25
Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’ ”

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:31
So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
We are not justified by our faith, which is filthy rags (Isa 64:6), But we are justified by the faith of Jesus (Gal 2:16).
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The Elect are. The Elect are already predestined to salvation before the foundation of the world.
 
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Evmur said:
God's glory is seen in healing the blind man not in causing his blindness showing that is not God's will that any should be born blind. God made eyes to SEE and He made ears to hear.

It was not God's will that man should sin, He faithfully warned against, He warns against it today, rising up early He faithfully warns and calls mankind back to Himself that He can save him and heal him and fix him up.
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The scriptures confirm that he does not "call" all mankind. (Rom 8:30).
 
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Magenta said:

1 Timothy 2:1-4
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Respectfully, I am not sure how you interpret this scripture. My understanding on it is that Paul left Timothy at Ephesus that he might charge some that they teach no other doctrine

The "ALL MEN" in 1 Tim 2:1 refers to "ajj men that are in authority" so that the church at Ephesus could lead a quite and peaceful life. The "all men" in verse 3 refers to those, in the church at Ephesus, who are teaching another doctrine, in which God and our Saviour would have them be saved (delivered) and come unto a knowledge of the truth,

There is a deliverance (salvation) when one of God's children come unto a knowledge of the truth.
 
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Magenta said:

Acts 17:30
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Acts 17:30, The "all men everywhere" has reference to those who have been redeemed to God (Rev 5:9) by the blood of Jesus out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. His elect people are everywhere.

Acts 17:26, and hath made of one blood (Jesus's blood) all nations. Verse 29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. At the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men (those that are made of one blood) everywhere to repent.

The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws that he cannot receive.
 
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