If I was a prophet ....

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I can't take a mark that has passed, but I do appreciate your concern. Grace and peace.

If you think it is already passed then you will probably not recognize the real one. I don't really care about debate, but at least make sure not to take the real one that is coming. That will have dire, eternal consequences.


Yeah I have diabetes though 😅so I avoid circular objects with chocolate chips especially he he

Lol, aw, that's terrible! I have type 2 diabetes, but I eat them anyway! :giggle:


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Pilgrimshope

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If you think it is already passed then you will probably not recognize the real one. I don't really care about debate, but at least make sure not to take the real one that is coming. That will have dire, eternal consequences.





Lol, aw, that's terrible! I have type 2 diabetes, but I eat them anyway! :giggle:


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i see , yeah I try to stay away from em these days but I’ve eaten a few cookies in my day
 

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You have assumed that the Church will face the Antichrist. But that cannot be.

The Antichrist can only take control of the inhabitants of the earth AFTER the divine Restrainer -- the Holy Spirit -- is "taken out of the way". The Bible says that it is God the Holy Spirit who is restraining Satan, but He will not do so when Satan and the Antichrist are in control.

Since every genuine believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, when He is taken out of the way (and returns to Heaven) the Church will also go to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture. Thus you will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4-18 (which also covers the reign of the Antichrist).

Further proof that the Church is not present at that time is that God specifically sends His two witnesses/prophets to earth during that exact period of time. They will no doubt preach the Gospel to the Jews (as well as to the world) since there is no one else on earth preaching the Gospel. Many will be saved at that time, and will also be martyred for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast. The two witnesses will also be killed by the Antichrist, but will be resurrected and raptured after that.
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2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
The departure?

Strong's Concordance
apostasia: defection, revolt
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Definition: defection, revolt
Usage: defection, apostasy, revolt.
HELPS Word-studies
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasyliterally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."
 

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#46
You have assumed that the Church will face the Antichrist. But that cannot be.

The Antichrist can only take control of the inhabitants of the earth AFTER the divine Restrainer -- the Holy Spirit -- is "taken out of the way". The Bible says that it is God the Holy Spirit who is restraining Satan, but He will not do so when Satan and the Antichrist are in control.

Since every genuine believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, when He is taken out of the way (and returns to Heaven) the Church will also go to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture. Thus you will not find the words "church" or "churches" from Revelation 4-18 (which also covers the reign of the Antichrist).

Further proof that the Church is not present at that time is that God specifically sends His two witnesses/prophets to earth during that exact period of time. They will no doubt preach the Gospel to the Jews (as well as to the world) since there is no one else on earth preaching the Gospel. Many will be saved at that time, and will also be martyred for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast. The two witnesses will also be killed by the Antichrist, but will be resurrected and raptured after that.
I know this doctrine is ingrained in you, the best I can do is tell you I disagree with it start to finish ... peace
 

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Since the Fall, when hasn't this been so? And the answer hasn't changed either.
The words of Paul make it different. Nobody had more perilous days than him. Yet here he says "in the last days will come perilous times ....." that's what makes it different
 

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Brother, it's so much more than that. Even if you said it word for word, it by itself wouldn't matter a bit.
When a true prophet speaks, he/she speaks with God's heart, feeling that which God feels, with such love & mercy flowing from them due to the anointing of the Holy Spirit that comes from within like an artesian well that never runs dry. When it happens, you'll feel overwhelmed by either compassion & love, or by the fear of the Lord if that word is judgment, knowing full well it shall come to pass..
... you can read the bible like that
 

Evmur

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Nehemiah6,
The Holy Spirit is still there because of the tribulation saints. He is there to draw them to Christ..
also it is unseemly to speak about the Holy Spirit as being "taken out of the way"

he who restrains is not identified, in a subsequent scripture it is "that which restraineth"

That which restraineth I personally identify as the law and the guardians of the law are angelic, in particular Michael. The mighty cherub with the flaming sword which turns every which way who guards the way to the tree of life.
 

Cameron143

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What dribble!

See Here
Verse 34 of Matthew 24 Jesus states that He is referring to the current generation.
Revelation 1 begins with this:
Verse 1...things which must shortly come to pass...
Verse 3...the time is at hand...
Verse 7...those also which pierced Him...are in the group who see Him...
Clearly 1st century.

Why were the questions asked in the first place. Because His disciples believed Him to be Messiah. But with the Messiah comes the restoration of Israel and a new and better covenant. But wait! It also meant a failed old covenant. No big deal right. Except...the old covenant came with stipulations for reward. Unfortunately, it also came with sanctions. Israel had failed to meet the stipulations of the covenant and subject to curses. This is what the book of Revelation is about...things that were...old covenant, things that are...failure to keep the covenant and consequent covenant sanctions, and things which will be...the new covenant.

Dribble, crossover dribble, shoots and scores.

I believe the word you were looking for was drivel, but no worries. It worked out fine.
 

Cameron143

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If you think it is already passed then you will probably not recognize the real one. I don't really care about debate, but at least make sure not to take the real one that is coming. That will have dire, eternal consequences.





Lol, aw, that's terrible! I have type 2 diabetes, but I eat them anyway! :giggle:


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That was great advice in the 1st century. Not so good for the 21st century. But your concern is duly noted.
No wonder Christians aren't enjoying life. They are living like the defeated instead of more than conquerors.
 

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The church seems to be awash with prophets and prophetesses all prophesying wonderful things concerning the church in the end times. Magnificent she will be, glorious, bedecked with majesty, all powerful she is ready to seize the reins of power. All around her as earthly rule and power fail she alone will stand.

Get you underground ... that is what I would be shouting from the rooftops, do it now while you have the time or at least get yourself into a position of readiness whereby you may vanish from the public view. The storm is about to break and it will sweep away all before it.

Imagine yourself a prophet to the Jews in the Germany of say 1930, imagine if you were trying to warn them of the horror which was about to unfold and engulf them. Hardly a one of them would believe you, certainly they would not believe the scale of the tragedy about to engulf them.

"We've been through it all before" they might say, "it could not happen, Germany is a civilized country, there is too much respect for law and order, the rule of law, any way German society would collapse without the Jews" those are the kind of arguments you would have met.

You say "have you heard from the Lord brother?"

I read my bible.

I see that Antichrist is imminent, even in the wings. He will oppose [says Paul] everything god so called or is worshipped as God. That is a systematic program for the total eradication of all religion ... and largely he is going to succeed before he can march into the temple and declare that he is himself God. Whatever pact he had going with Israel will be reneged on.

People say it is the Pope, no Catholics will among the first to go, Islam? no they also are too visible, they will be at the front of those to be cleansed. Antichrist is almost certainly a military dictator.

If any Christians are to endure to the end, they will be those who lean upon the Saviour's bosom who hear His secret counsels.
I wish the typical Jewish person read and believed their Bible over their wicked rabis' teaching. Perhaps they would see that Jesus Christ is their true Messiah. They certainly had plenty of true prophets before the Roman legion marched into Jerusalem. The Bible tells us that He came into His own and His own received Him not.

I witnessed to the Jewish lady who was here for a long while. She said that she already knew enough about Christianity. She does not want to hear the good news. Ok. Well, have a nice day.
I moved onto other people for whom God died, was buried and arose.
If anyone here has been effective at leading those who call themselves Jews to Christ, then tell me how you are having success . I would like to learn.
 

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I don't know who the Restrainer is because the Bible doesn't say so, but it can't be the Holy Spirit because He will continue to try to reach the unsaved (and seal them when they do get saved) through His people during the Great Tribulation.

Also you'll be sorely disappointed waiting for the Rapture when the antichrist shows up and you're still here. You need to prepare for that so that you don't throw other Christians under the bus trying to save your life when the antichrist starts killing us. Many Christians will die (as well as unsaved to be honest) so prepare your heart for that possibility.


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yes pre-tribulation rapture is a horrible false hope which will cause great disaffection when the trouble begins.
 

Cameron143

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The words of Paul make it different. Nobody had more perilous days than him. Yet here he says "in the last days will come perilous times ....." that's what makes it different
The last days were perilous.
 

Evmur

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I wish the typical Jewish person read and believed their Bible over their wicked rabis' teaching. Perhaps they would see that Jesus Christ is their true Messiah. They certainly had plenty of true prophets before the Roman legion marched into Jerusalem. The Bible tells us that He came into His own and His own received Him not.

I witnessed to the Jewish lady who was here for a long while. She said that she already knew enough about Christianity. She does not want to hear the good news. Ok. Well, have a nice day.
I moved onto other people for whom God died, was buried and arose.
If anyone here has been effective at leading those who call themselves Jews to Christ, then tell me how you are having success . I would like to learn.
but as they read their scripture they have a veil over their eyes ... only the Lord can take it away
 

Evmur

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That was great advice in the 1st century. Not so good for the 21st century. But your concern is duly noted.
No wonder Christians aren't enjoying life. They are living like the defeated instead of more than conquerors.
I rarely meet brethren as joyous than me ... that has nothing to do with it, and I live in victory..
 

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The church seems to be awash with prophets and prophetesses all prophesying wonderful things concerning the church in the end times. Magnificent she will be, glorious, bedecked with majesty, all powerful she is ready to seize the reins of power. All around her as earthly rule and power fail she alone will stand.

Get you underground ... that is what I would be shouting from the rooftops, do it now while you have the time or at least get yourself into a position of readiness whereby you may vanish from the public view. The storm is about to break and it will sweep away all before it.

Imagine yourself a prophet to the Jews in the Germany of say 1930, imagine if you were trying to warn them of the horror which was about to unfold and engulf them. Hardly a one of them would believe you, certainly they would not believe the scale of the tragedy about to engulf them.

"We've been through it all before" they might say, "it could not happen, Germany is a civilized country, there is too much respect for law and order, the rule of law, any way German society would collapse without the Jews" those are the kind of arguments you would have met.

You say "have you heard from the Lord brother?"

I read my bible.

I see that Antichrist is imminent, even in the wings. He will oppose [says Paul] everything god so called or is worshipped as God. That is a systematic program for the total eradication of all religion ... and largely he is going to succeed before he can march into the temple and declare that he is himself God. Whatever pact he had going with Israel will be reneged on.

People say it is the Pope, no Catholics will among the first to go, Islam? no they also are too visible, they will be at the front of those to be cleansed. Antichrist is almost certainly a military dictator.

If any Christians are to endure to the end, they will be those who lean upon the Saviour's bosom who hear His secret counsels.
The Bible never says the Church will be glorious in the long run, but the world will come together and rebel against the truth, and go against Christianity favoring the new age movement interpretation of the Bible based on the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and a god, which the New Age Christ/antichrist will be of the new age movement, and push that agenda in the world to try to change the world to that format which he will think to change times, and laws.

He will convince them that they have to prepare for the next evolutionary step of mankind that is the 5th root race, 6th sub-race. for the new age movement belief is people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and then the next evolutionary step the 5th root race, 7th sub-race shall occur in 25,000 years.

The Europeans are its fifth subrace, while the present Americans are the germs of the sixth subrace of the fifth root race. The seventh subrace will start its preparations in 25,000 years after which there will be cataclysms that will destroy Europe and the whole fifth root race.

But it had to be for God has to end sin on earth one day for He is not going to allow mankind to keep sinning on earth, and it is on a time schedule that salvation is available to the world.

So He is going to allow the world to have their way for 7 years and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and when they take his mark then they will have the nature of a devil, and belong to the devil, and salvation is no longer available to the world, and He can end sin on earth.

That will give the fallen angels liberty to manipulate mankind more than they could do in the past which the new age movement is of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils because they follow Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help them to have peace, advance, and evolve along with the New Age Christ.

Which they do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel because they do not believe in a God.

The new age movement is their reality and religion now brought on by the theory of evolution that became popular backed up by Science, and they interpret all religions that way.

The Pope is not the antichrist but he will be the false prophet for the Vatican and Pope will be given over to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, and support the New Age Christ, which it is already planned out.

The antichrist will not be involved in positions where people compete with each other, or elected, so he will not be a politician, a military leader, a business man, a religious leader, or any other position such as that for it is beneath him to compete with common people, and be elected by them for he is so arrogant, and self exalting.

He will not be anybody you know and will come in with a bang negotiating a peace treaty in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty which will stop the fighting between Israel and the Arabs which will stop the world fighting by choosing sides, and stop all fighting as they have a one world government to work for peace on earth.

He will then work to get control of the world a feat that no other person has done.

The world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section who will support the New Age Christ along with the newly elected Pope and Vatican.

Which the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world which will include all European nations, and nations taken over by Europeans.

Islam has nothing to do with the antichrist which 3 sections of the world will be plucked up by the roots which is the Arab nations which are bombed with nuclear weapons for they rebel against the world not realizing the extent the one world government had in store for the world which they stopped the preaching of anything contrary to the new age movement.

It is the new age movement that takes over the world, and the antichrist comes from that belief system, and Islam will never have anything to do with the new age movement.

They believe the 5th root race is the Europeans so the new age movement is a Caucasian led plan, and the antichrist will be a Caucasian man, and their ways permeate the world which they Roman Empire will devour the earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces.

That is why America was in the Arab nations using the excuse to liberate the people, and fight terrorism because they were keeping the Arab nations from coming together to have a power base which Saddam Hussein wanted to unite the Arab nations and be a power like the Babylon of old.

The Europeans have their own plan going on and they are not going to allow the Arab nations to get in their way, or slow them down.
 

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also it is unseemly to speak about the Holy Spirit as being "taken out of the way"

he who restrains is not identified, in a subsequent scripture it is "that which restraineth"

That which restraineth I personally identify as the law and the guardians of the law are angelic, in particular Michael. The mighty cherub with the flaming sword which turns every which way who guards the way to the tree of life.
I believe that it is Michael because it is Michael that has been restraining Satan in heaven all this time, and it is Michael who fights with Satan and casts him down to the earth. Why? because God says it’s time to wrap up this evil age.

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.