The Security Of The Believer

He denied the Lord before the infilling of the Holy Ghost was given at the day of Pentecost which empowers Christians for service.

Those that know their bible know there's a difference between getting born again and afterward getting filled with the Holy Ghost.

Well, I say go find a Grace bible church. Sit and study for a year or so. Get to know the Lord Jesus Christ and His Grace.......And you will get the answers you are looking for.

If you're asking these questions, you don't know Him that well yet. And you don't know His Grace that well yet.

circuitous logic that doesn't clarify what you said

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I'm not sure why you think christians are immune to sin

I already know the answers... I was poking fun at the false eternal security belief that leads many to believe they can live in sin and still be saved.

I used to go to one of those "free grace" churches and the Lord led me to leave because of all the false doctrines they put out. So, thanks, but NO thanks.

And, you're not a Christian???

If you are a lowly sinner, then you should get born again man!

Sorry dude, I thought you were a Christian!

If you have any questions about the faith and how to live as an over comer, let me know.

Obviously because you never set out to read about those getting filled with the Holy Spirit as a separate experience after they had been born again.

You probably go to a church that teaches against this even though it's in the Bible so I wouldn't expect you to understand since you're not even aware of what this is.

Those that know their bible know how to remain living in repentance as in NOT living in sin.

We can do all things thru Christ Who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13) so it's entirely possible to live a lifestyle where we are not doing things we know we shouldn't be doing. Sounds like you may be unaware of this foundational biblical teaching.

Have a nice night.

Are you refering to events in acts like speaking in tongues where there was a special outpouring of the holy spirit?

I just don't buy the view that you have to remain totally sin free

You as well.

Hope that lowly sinner thing gets better!




Why not study this for yourself and find out?





After a few decades of being a Christian... why wouldn't I grow spiritually to the point that I very rarely sin?

Is there a problem with knowing what should not be done and then... NOT doing them?

Do I need to sin or something? Should I go do something bad just so I'll be a "sinner" like many Christians are taught that they are and go around saying that they are... which results in many laying down and decide to go ahead and do some sin!

So many churches teach that we are all born sinners and we just can't help but sin everyday in thought word and deed, and if one hears that long enough... they'll start sinning!

Doing things they know they should not be doing, fully aware what they are doing is wrong but... meh, who cares because most churches also teach it's not possible to lose your salvation.

Lots of people hear all this and think it doesn't really matter if they do some sin stuff! I mean, just don't let the pastor or any of those deacon guys find out!

He denied the Lord before the infilling of the Holy Ghost was given at the day of Pentecost which empowers Christians for service.

Those that know their bible know there's a difference between getting born again and afterward getting filled with the Holy Ghost.

I go by what the scripture says. You are welcome to believe whatever it is that you';re going to believe.

Since 1 John 1:9 says God will cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness then I'll take that over those that doubt what God says in His Word. After that, I'm not going to willingly or knowingly engage in sinful behavior.

Those that are led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14) and He's certainly not leading me to go do sin.

I'm questioning those who claim one can never lose their salvation.

Some hear people teach this un biblical message and believe it's true and so they continue living in sin and go to churches that tell them "well, you're still saved because you have a good heart" even though they are living in sin.

Many churches teach that all our future sins are already forgiven even before those sins are committed. Many who hear this think "wow! I can keep living in sin and still be saved cause it's all good" It's a stumbling block to others

Well God taught me out of my bible that I should awake unto righteousness and sin not!

So you can worry about your sin, and I'll continue being led by the Holy Ghost Who does not lead me to sin!

Now, if you are talking about falling short of God's absolute perfection by making mistakes such as dropping something or not remembering to do something, then yes we make those types of mistakes which are totally different from sinful behavior.

I mean what kind of sin are you guys doing anyway? You folks believe you are supposed to sin every day ion thought word and deed because you were born a sinner and you cannot help it?

Here's one that irritates people like that:

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.

Wow! How did thise get in the bible if it's not true???

1 John 3:6 says Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:1 says I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

1 John 3:8 says He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 Corinthians 15:34 says Awake to righteousness, and sin not

It might be a good idea for you all to read ALL of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John!

Well, I say go find a Grace bible church. Sit and study for a year or so. Get to know the Lord Jesus Christ and His Grace.......And you will get the answers you are looking for.

If you're asking these questions, you don't know Him that well yet. And you don't know His Grace that well yet.

I know you know the answers. I also know a few. The self righteous need to 'poke' some fun at us lowly sinners so as to puff up their pride. Then they can lay their pretty little head down at night, twist their hair in their fingers, pop their thumbs in their mouth and drift off to a self contented sleep.

I would rather be the humble beggar on my knees.

And, you're not a Christian???

If you are a lowly sinner, then you should get born again man!

Sorry dude, I thought you were a Christian!

If you have any questions about the faith and how to live as an over comer, let me know.

if you chose one day to deny him. Your called an antichrist.

and John said you were never of us.

so while you may claim you were of us.. I must go with John..

He denied the Lord before the infilling of the Holy Ghost was given at the day of Pentecost which empowers Christians for service.

Those that know their bible know there's a difference between getting born again and afterward getting filled with the Holy Ghost.




I go by what the scripture says. You are welcome to believe whatever it is that you';re going to believe.

Since 1 John 1:9 says God will cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness then I'll take that over those that doubt what God says in His Word. After that, I'm not going to willingly or knowingly engage in sinful behavior.

Those that are led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14) and He's certainly not leading me to go do sin.







I'm questioning those who claim one can never lose their salvation.

Some hear people teach this un biblical message and believe it's true and so they continue living in sin and go to churches that tell them "well, you're still saved because you have a good heart" even though they are living in sin.

Many churches teach that all our future sins are already forgiven even before those sins are committed. Many who hear this think "wow! I can keep living in sin and still be saved cause it's all good" It's a stumbling block to others





Well God taught me out of my bible that I should awake unto righteousness and sin not!

So you can worry about your sin, and I'll continue being led by the Holy Ghost Who does not lead me to sin!

Now, if you are talking about falling short of God's absolute perfection by making mistakes such as dropping something or not remembering to do something, then yes we make those types of mistakes which are totally different from sinful behavior.

I mean what kind of sin are you guys doing anyway? You folks believe you are supposed to sin every day ion thought word and deed because you were born a sinner and you cannot help it?

Here's one that irritates people like that:

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.

Wow! How did thise get in the bible if it's not true???

1 John 3:6 says Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:1 says I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

1 John 3:8 says He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 Corinthians 15:34 says Awake to righteousness, and sin not

It might be a good idea for you all to read ALL of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John!

So you acknowledge the possibility that I could deny Christ - and I agree with you . . .
But now in your view if I would deny Christ then that would be proof positive that I was never born again in the first place.

Hence in your view I need to continue having faith in God and I need to continue doing good deeds in order to be sure that I was actually saved correctly when I made that initial committment. If I don't keep on living a good life then it might be that I was never saved to begin with.

I teach at a Bible college and have had many students come here wrestling with assurance of salvation because of the aftermath of the kind of teaching and theology that it seems you are promoting. They go back and try again to be "born again" and yet fear that they didn't do it the right way! When they are caught in patterns of sin they fear they are not saved. My approach is simply to teach that salvation comes when you believe (cling to/need/grab hold of) into Jesus Christ. I am not saved because I made a "committment" of some kind 40 years ago; I know that I am saved because today I believe in Him!

So you acknowledge the possibility that I could deny Christ - and I agree with you . . .
But now in your view if I would deny Christ then that would be proof positive that I was never born again in the first place.

Hence in your view I need to continue having faith in God and I need to continue doing good deeds in order to be sure that I was actually saved correctly when I made that initial committment. If I don't keep on living a good life then it might be that I was never saved to begin with.

I teach at a Bible college and have had many students come here wrestling with assurance of salvation because of the aftermath of the kind of teaching and theology that it seems you are promoting. They go back and try again to be "born again" and yet fear that they didn't do it the right way! When they are caught in patterns of sin they fear they are not saved. My approach is simply to teach that salvation comes when you believe (cling to/need/grab hold of) into Jesus Christ. I am not saved because I made a "committment" of some kind 40 years ago; I know that I am saved because today I believe in Him!

arrogance, denying one has sin(both sins), I give up.

I'm not trying to trick you here. You say you trust what the word of God says. I'm simply asking questions to see if this is so. Can you please answer my questions?

Still think these bible verses are not true???

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not

Should these scripture references be removed from our Bible or otherwise ignored as though the Lord never said these things???





What was the question that you cannot get an answer for by reading God's word?