The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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Dino246

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2. The enemy will go to great lengths to make sure you don't believe you have the word of God.
Like prompting numerous KJV-only proponents to spout endlessly on the subject, poisoning people's thinking against the word of God.

3. No factual arguments have been made against the KJV.
I already know you're stubborn. Your assertion tells me you're also either ignorant or dense.

4. There can be only one true version of God's word, or none.
And since the KJV contains errors, it can't be the "one".

5. Multiple versions has caused confusion and dissension among the brethren (devil's plan), and disbelief among non-believers.
Prove it.
 

Dino246

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I kinda think this thread stands as some pretty-good proof... :D
Nobody is arguing "different doctrines" here. It's just a bunch of KJV-only proponents bleating that other translations cause people to believe different doctrines... with no actual proof whatsoever.
 

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Like prompting numerous KJV-only proponents to spout endlessly on the subject, poisoning people's thinking against the word of God.
I believe you have this somewhat 'backward' - it is those who are against the KJV that react, get angry, etc. at the mere mention that the KJV is the best English bible version available for the past 400 years.

The "KJV-only proponents" are trying to get others to understand just how much of a "treasure chest" of truth and value it really is!

And, you mock...

Remember what I said about Satan and his cattle prod? Believe-it-or-not, that is the reality.

Otherwise, the Holy Spirit is trying to get your attention - but, you resist...

Satan does not want you to understand what you are losing when you disregard the significance and importance of the KJV. And, he would "dearly love" to see it go out of existance - and, you are helping him to discredit it - which he also loves.

It is not just any-ole-version - it is a special version - and, history has shown that God's hand has been on it since it was translated.

All of the outlandish 'rebellion' against it is actual proof of what I said about Satan and his cattle prod.
 

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Nobody is arguing "different doctrines" here. It's just a bunch of KJV-only proponents bleating that other translations cause people to believe different doctrines... with no actual proof whatsoever.
This is what I would like to see. The different doctrines.

So far, none that I can see. But division among brothers and sisters.........yep.
 

GaryA

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Nobody is arguing "different doctrines" here. It's just a bunch of KJV-only proponents bleating that other translations cause people to believe different doctrines... with no actual proof whatsoever.
This thread is replete with proof - just not in a form you are looking for or would probably recognize.

The changes - and the resulting effect of that - is very subtle. Whether you realize it or not, you are "in agreement" with the 'slippery-slope' of "subtle changes" being made to scripture - because - without realizing it - you are supporting it. When you accept a new bible version - based on corrupt manuscripts - you are supporting the ongoing-and-increasing corruption of scripture.

The KJV is not corrupt. All of the modern bible versions are. That is what we are trying to get you to see. You simply refuse to see 'what is'.

(If there are/were any modern bible versions that are truly good translations from [the] good manuscripts and not corrupt, then - good! I am not talking about such a one if it exists. I am just unaware of any. All of modern bible versions that I am aware of are translations of the corrupt Westcott-Hort manuscripts. Admittedly, I have not kept up with the explosion of new modern bible versions in recent years. If anyone thinks they know of one that comes from the same manuscripts as the KJV, feel free to point it out. It all comes down to the manuscripts a bible translation comes from.)

There is a vast difference between "a [possible] 'minor' error" and "absolutely unmistakably corrupt" - and, you should let that sink in for a while...

In the context of this discussion, 'error' does not necessarily equal 'corrupt'; however, 'corrupt' is always 'error'.

Remember what I said about the bottle cap and the swimming pool? Believe-it-or-not, that is the reality.

The fact that anyone would prefer the corruption of scripture over the correctness of scripture --- is all the proof you should ever need...
 

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4. There can be only one true version of God's word, or none. There cannot be multiple versions of God's word that contain different words and even different truths. God is not the author of confusion.
Then do not accuse Him of originating the KJV-onlyism doctrine. And that is a big problem with the doctrine, isn't it? It isn't taught in scripture. The apostles didn't teach it. It isn't part of the 'faith once delivered to the saints.'

Your line of reasoning here is embarrassing. If had I made it, I would be embarrassed. The KJV was translated from Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic texts. Did those texts suddenly become uninspired because King James had a committee the Bible translated (again) into English? Did their translating the Bible make exact quotes from Jeremiah, the apostles, or the Lord Himself in the actual languages in which they were spoken or written not 'the word of God.'

You are also makinjg a mistake in just assuming the "God's word" exactly equals the Bible. The word was created through the Logos. The Logos was made flesh. Paul preached the word of God to the Thessalonians. Plugging in 'Bible' or 'KJV Bible' into any of the scriptures that speak of these things.

Btw, I originally called this thread The Idiocy of KJV-Onlyism, but a moderator must have toned the title down.

The KJV is a TRANSLATION of the Bible. It claims to be a translation. Read the dedication to the King, which also speaks positively about previous translations.

5. Multiple versions has caused confusion and dissension among the brethren (devil's plan), and disbelief among non-believers.
No, reasonably minded people, at least if they are a bit educated, can deal with the fact that there are different translations and can benefit from them. KJV-onlyist beliefs can lead to people being divisive, if they are willing to divide a church over it. If a KJV-onlyist went to a church that used various translations wisely, some of the people church might just think him a bit odd, but if he isn't divisive over it, it wouldn't need to be divisive.
6. Greek text? Where? Do we have the original Greek text? Nope.

7. God has always preserved his word throughout the course of human history. He made it available completed in one book in the KJV.
Why would you want to add the idea in that last sentence to 'the faith once delivered to the saints'? Don't you see the danger of adding man-made doctrines to the Christian faith, especially if the doctrine is nonsense, doesn't hold water, doesn't make sense, and people divide over it.

There is no reason to be KJV-onlyist unless you've been taught that as if it were a part of the gospel and develop an attachment to it, being KJV-onlyist becomes a part of your identity, or something like that. It doesn't make sense.

I haven't even heard of a KJV onlyist becoming one by reason of a false prophet prophesying that the KJV is inspired. Without God revealing such a doctrine, why would you believe it?

And what about Dayak villagers, or Lithuanians, or Amazonian tribes people who don't speak English? Do they not get to have a Bible that they can hold ___in their hand__ that is the word of God? Does it have to be in some language they don't understand? But again, reading 'KJV Bible' or even 'Bible' into the phrase 'word of God' in scripture is going to lead you to some bad interpretations. We learn the word of God from reading the scripture, but the phrase doesn't mean 'the 66 books of the Bible' in all contexts if any at all.
 

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(If there are/were any modern bible versions that are truly good translations from [the] good manuscripts and not corrupt, then - good! I am not talking about such a one if it exists. I am just unaware of any. All of modern bible versions that I am aware of are translations of the corrupt Westcott-Hort manuscripts. Admittedly, I have not kept up with the explosion of new modern bible versions in recent years. If anyone thinks they know of one that comes from the same manuscripts as the KJV, feel free to point it out. It all comes down to the manuscripts a bible translation comes from.)
In general:

good manuscripts + good translation = good bible version

corrupt manuscripts + (does not matter) = corrupt bible version

You cannot get a good bible version from corrupt manuscripts!
 

Dino246

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I believe you have this somewhat 'backward' - it is those who are against the KJV that react, get angry, etc. at the mere mention that the KJV is the best English bible version available for the past 400 years.
I don't see anyone getting angry in response the KJV-only claims. What I do see is those who don't hold to KJV-only calmly dismantling the stupid arguments set forth. The rancor is usually from the KJV-only proponents as they spew silly warnings of doom.

The "KJV-only proponents" are trying to get others to understand just how much of a "treasure chest" of truth and value it really is!
The Bible is the treasure chest; the KJV is merely one translation thereof.


And, you mock...
I happily mock stupid arguments.

Otherwise, the Holy Spirit is trying to get your attention - but, you resist...
Consider the utter arrogance of that statement. You ain't the Holy Spirit. When He wants my attention, He speaks to me.

Satan does not want you to understand what you are losing when you disregard the significance and importance of the KJV. And, he would "dearly love" to see it go out of existance - and, you are helping him to discredit it - which he also loves.
More ridiculous fear-mongering.

It is not just any-ole-version - it is a special version - and, history has shown that God's hand has been on it since it was translated.
Yawn.

All of the outlandish 'rebellion' against it is actual proof of what I said about Satan and his cattle prod.
All the tripe that KJV-only proponents spout is proof to me that they are part of a poorly-organized cult.
 

Dino246

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This thread is replete with proof - just not in a form you are looking for or would probably recognize.
It's completely bereft of proof, because proof requires evidence, and there is none.

The changes - and the resulting effect of that - is very subtle. Whether you realize it or not, you are "in agreement" with the 'slippery-slope' of "subtle changes" being made to scripture - because - without realizing it - you are supporting it. When you accept a new bible version - based on corrupt manuscripts - you are supporting the ongoing-and-increasing corruption of scripture.
Fear-mongering bleating without evidence. Show the EVIDENCE of people believing different doctrines based on reading modern translations.

The KJV is not corrupt. All of the modern bible versions are. That is what we are trying to get you to see. You simply refuse to see 'what is'.
You can bleat all you like. The evidence is never produced.

The fact that anyone would prefer the corruption of scripture over the correctness of scripture --- is all the proof you should ever need...
Differences between the KJV and any other translation are not evidence of corruption. The corruption has been claimed many times and never proven.

As for your italicized summary statements, dispense with them: they are nothing but arrogance.
 

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I had a job where I had to transcribe keywords from english into american english. and actors in nz had to take on american accents for the american market.

Americans just dont like English that much which is ironic considering the vociferous KJV-only people tend to be american. Its just rankles the others who then complain that they dont live in shakepearean times.

In terms of errors in the Bible there is a case for KJV being the most trusted version and its longevity, and how modern versions can be watered down. It could have fallen by the wayside over the four hundred years its been published like all the other bibles.

But then again it was the authorized version that was read in the church of england. Any new coming bible, after its been revised MANY times was viewed with suspicion. The NKJV is basically the same except with thee and thou pronouns removed but it was only like that because the original tongues had those specific pronouns to address a single person as opposed to a group. In that sense the KJV is accurate to the nuance of the original languages.
You guys should just give up and accept the American dialect, like Portugal did with Brazil... ;)
 

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The KJV is a TRANSLATION of the Bible. It claims to be a translation. Read the dedication to the King, which also speaks positively about previous translations.
For the record...

I regard the KJV as a translation - and, do not place it equal to or above the manuscripts it came from. I simply believe that it is the best English bible translation available - especially because it is not 'corrupt' like all of the modern bible versions that came from the corrupt Westcott-Hort manuscripts. I am not saying that another good bible version cannot exist - it certainly can if a proper 'good' translation is made from the proper 'good' manuscripts.

And - other languages? Absolutely, everyone should have a proper 'good' translation in their language made from the proper 'good' manuscripts.

It is all about the manuscripts that a bible translation comes from.

To me - the most important 'issue' is the corruption of scripture.

All the rest is really pretty-much just useless nitpicking.
 

GaryA

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So produce the evidence.
Copied from:

https://christianchat.com/christian...slation-is-your-favorite.198605/#post-4541119

Suggestion:

Defending the King James Bible

A fourfold superiority:
• Texts
• Translators
• Technique
• Theology

God's Word Kept Intact in English

D. A. Waite


The author of the book says there are "over 6,653 examples of additions, omissions, or changes plus departures from the proper Hebrew and Greek original language texts in the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION" in the INTRODUCTION of the book.

I have a hard-bound version of the book.

I recommend it!

~

I believe that there are a couple of other good books on the subject - but would have to look them up...
 

Dino246

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Copied from:

https://christianchat.com/christian...slation-is-your-favorite.198605/#post-4541119

Suggestion:

Defending the King James Bible

A fourfold superiority:
• Texts
• Translators
• Technique
• Theology

God's Word Kept Intact in English

D. A. Waite


The author of the book says there are "over 6,653 examples of additions, omissions, or changes plus departures from the proper Hebrew and Greek original language texts in the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION" in the INTRODUCTION of the book.

I have a hard-bound version of the book.

I recommend it!

~

I believe that there are a couple of other good books on the subject - but would have to look them up...
A link to a book is NOT evidence.
 

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Here is a good start:

https://christianchat.com/christian...slation-is-your-favorite.198605/#post-4541119

I believe that there are a couple of other good books on the subject - but would have to look them up...
Isn't that just pointing out that there are differences in different versions? I mean, since those other versions could also claim there are additions and omissions in the KJV, as compared to the other version... the argument is exactly the same for both camps. Pointing to additions and omissions does not prove which is closer to the lost originals... and since the originals are lost, no one camp could prove themselves right or another wrong.

That's how I see it anyway.
 

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So, we are not doing a good job, but Satan is, right?
What I see, is a brother(you) that pretty much lines up with every doctrine that I believe, And the KJV kick's me to the gutter. And It's not satan doing it.....It's my brothers and sisters.
 

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We can associate word with preaching from the context.

Look up logos in Greek then lets discuss.

Formal equivalence is not supposed to do a lot of interpreting for the reader when it's not necessary.

How about if you're thinking is that the King James is perfect came down from God on a silver platter and he can't have any errors and-- it is as an axiomatic matter of doctrine-- more accurate than any other translation and then it's hard to reason with someone who thinks like that.
Umm, I think, I just need to dismiss your claim of better reading without valid reason/s. I ask you why but you have refrained from answering it directly. The burden of proof is pointing at you. Well, your side note about KJB just makes no sense to me.