The Security Of The Believer

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Let's see if I have this correct. These are also my own beliefs.
1. We cannot save ourselves only God can
2. We only believe because God gave us the faith to believe
3. Jesus fulfilled the Law and our faith in Him that He did so justifies us
4. We hear, follow, remain in Him because we love God
5. We obey His commands because we love God
6. People who love God will not choose to leave God
7. That brings us to eternal security
 

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As far as I could see your questions had nothing to do with Preterism.

"So, in a nutshell, do you believe that Jesus totally saves us OR do you believe that we have to help Jesus save us? Is the work that Jesus did on the Cross complete OR do we have to help Him finish it?"
Do you know what preterists believe?
 

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Let's see if I have this correct. These are also my own beliefs.
1. We cannot save ourselves only God can
2. We only believe because God gave us the faith to believe
3. Jesus fulfilled the Law and our faith in Him that He did so justifies us
4. We hear, follow, remain in Him because we love God
5. We obey His commands because we love God
6. People who love God will not choose to leave God
7. That brings us to eternal security
Amen. Clearly and well said. :)
 

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Do you know what preterists believe?
Yes I do and That is a totally different subject related to the interpretation of prophecies. Bible_Highlighter does not believe in the eternal security of the believer.

"It also helps if you accept all the conditional statements in the Bible like “IF,” etcetera.
Salvation is conditional and Jesus and His followers warned about how sin can destroy our souls in the afterlife if we do not confess and forsake such sins."
 

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Yes I do and That is a totally different subject related to the interpretation of prophecies. Bible_Highlighter wants a grace + works salvation.
True dat. I mixed up Cameron with Bible Highlighter. My bad.
 

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he seems to think they go back to law in the trib period. so salvation can be lost.

salvation has been by grace through faith since adam. that will not change
Nope, but the salvation during the tribulation, one of staying alive, enduring to the end to be saved out of the tribulation and into the kingdom of Christ and his 1,000 year reign on earth. This salvation can be lost if one does not endure to the end. The elect is Israel, God's chosen people.

Matthew 24
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 

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Your eisegesis here culminates in works righteousness/salvation by works which is a critical error!

EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD NEEDS TO SEE THIS.

Now prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I believed exactly what you posted above. I basically defined faith "as" obedience/works and could not make the distinction between faith (which is the root of salvation) and works (which are the fruit of salvation). Your argument about faith and works lines up with what Roman Catholics teach.

Romans 5:1 says, "justified by faith" and not faith and works. Paul is using the term "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" here. In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works are evidence for, or against a man being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, “acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, “they declared God just.” This is the "sense" in which God was “justified.” He was shown to be righteous.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

James 2:24 -You see then that a man is justified (shown to be righteous) by works, and not by faith only (empty profession of faith that only claims to be genuine but demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead). James 2:14 sets up the context. In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims (key word) he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So, when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple! :)

Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) BY FAITH in Genesis 15:6 and BY or "out of" FAITH Abraham offered up Isaac upon the altar in Genesis 22 is not saying the same thing. It's one thing to say that Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by faith (Abraham believed in the Lord/believed God) and it was accounted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3) and it's another thing to say that by or "out of" faith (many years later) Abraham offered up Isaac upon the altar. So works are not merely faith. Works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of faith. This is absolutely critical to understand! Works salvation is NO SALVATION AT ALL. (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..)

In regard to 1 Thessalonians 1:3, notice the words "work of" faith, "labor of" love and "patience of" hope. These are the practical outworking of the Thessalonian believer's conversion. The "work" that the Thessalonians do is a result or consequence of their faith. So too their "labor" flows from love and their "endurance" comes from hope. Work "of" faith does not mean that faith in essence is the work accomplished. Their work is a result or consequence "of" their faith. The work done is "of" faith or done "out of" faith. Faith was already established at conversion and then the work followed as a result or consequence "of" their faith. Just as in 2 Thessalonians 1:11, deeds are prompted by or "out of" faith but these deeds are not in essence faith itself.

You don’t seem to make a distinction between faith “and” works that “follow” as a "result of" faith and the end result of that is salvation by faith AND works. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Please read everything that I shared with you very carefully and I hope and pray that this may be your turning point. :)
I have a salvation experience that no one can take away from me. That was SETTLED between me and God. So, I started to go to church after this. I did not go to church before this experience.

I spent the first 10 years in a reformed, religious and "clean up your life" church. I had absolutely no idea how to walk in the Spirit or be filled with the Spirit. Today, I know that the first 10 years were evil. I was working from my flesh. Not one DIVINE fruit.

I was not really saved the first 10 years?

I believe James is speaking a little more than not really saved here. He is speaking of spiritual maturity and living in Gods plan for our lives. It's worthless to this world and does not Glorify God if we stay as babes in Christ.

1 Cor 3:15~~If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.

2 Tim~~11The statement is trustworthy: For if(And we have) we died with Him, we will also live with Him; 12If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He will also deny us(reign); 13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself(we are a part of Him).
 

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I took you from the ends of the earth, from its farthest corners I called you. I said, ‘You are my servant’ I have chosen you and have not rejected you (Isaiah 41:9) God Bless You All :)
 

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The whole of counsel of God’s Word tells us this:

”...and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith." -- Phil 3:9
 

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#1. You have to receive the engrafted words of the New Covent, which is able to save your souls. “…lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.” (James 1:21).
What do we need to lay apart for the saving of the soul?. God views the work of men as empty and just as filthy rags when it comes to salvation. The word of God, I believe is an agent in terms of regeneration or saving of souls. The scriptures say “Of his own will, he begat he us with the word of truth…”
It says it right in the verse. It says filthiness and naughtiness (sin) is what we have to lay apart in regards to the saving of the soul. See also 2 Corinthians 7:1.

Then like other OSAS believers I have encountered over the years, you misquote Isaiah 64:6 to defend your wrong belief, as well.

Isaiah 64:6 is in context to false righteous acts.
Isaiah 64:5 says, “Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, “

Bible Highlighter said:
#2. Like being a doer of the Word. However, the person who just hears the Word only deceives themselves. “ …be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” (James 1:22).
You said:
This pertains to practical Christian living for it starts with “Wherefore” as in verses 20 and 21, which speaks of after being saved or that as being born again “begat he us” by the word of truth and the Holy Spirit of God, you have to work out your salvation which serves evidence of a having a new life.
Lot of imaginative thinking here. Just read the verse and believe it. It is saying that if we are not a doer of the Word we deceive ourselves. Obviously this plays in from the previous verse about laying apart all filthiness in regards to saving the soul. So this kind of deception here by not being a doer of the Word is salvific. Remember, Jesus said everyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built His house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27). This was said in context to Jesus telling believers to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (Matthew 7:22-23).

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#3. This includes having a pure religion undefiled before God in loving the fatherless and the widows in visiting them in their affliction and remaining unspotted from the world (Which are actions or works). “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27).
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Pure religion is about good works and believers’ or“brethren being ” begat by word of truth, and because of that, we need to keep. such good work. But then, they have nothing to do with losing salvation.
Visiting the fatherless and widows is in line with loving your neighbor. So the idea here is loving your neighbor. So while there is no specific warning of our souls being condemned in regards to not visiting the fatherless and the widows, we do see the idea of not loving your neighbor (the poor, and the unfortunate, like giving your time to those who are sick or in prison, etcetera) as related to what Jesus said in the Parable of the Good Samaritan and the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God and love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life. The lawyer asked who was his neighbor. Then Jesus mentions helping the poor beat up guy on the side of the road (left for dead). Jesus mentioned helping this person. Then Jesus said go and do likewise. But in OSAS, you can step over the poor man who is crying or you can spit on them and you are still saved because of a belief alone on Jesus. But remember what happened to the rich man who ignored Lazarus laying at his gate? The rich man died and went to hell (See: Luke 16:19-31). In the Parable of the Sheep and Goats, those who did not help or love the poor or the unfortunate in this life were told to go away into everlasting punishment.

Bible Highlighter said:
#4. James then mentions a situation among the brethren whereby they showed “respect of persons” by giving favor to the rich brethren and not the poor brethren. This is sin. “But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.” (James 2:9).
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Yes, this is all good, I am not saying as believers we don’t do good works, we need to as saved not to be saved.
You’re not getting it. James is condemning those believers for committing sin in that they show favor to the rich brethren and not the poor brethren. He says, “For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.” (James 2:13). So listen up to what it says in verse 13. It says there will be judgment with no mercy if you do not show mercy if you show favoritism to the rich brethren and you ignore the poor brethren. That’s why James 2 is talking about being justified before God and not men. But seeing that does not align with the OSAS belief, the “Perpetual Belief Alone” Christian has to ignore things like this or change the plain child like reading of the text. This is why nobody here who defends OSAS is not truly fooling anybody, even themselves. Folks deep down know what the Bible actually says. They just don’t like what it says and so they go with the man made traditions (beliefs) that undoes the Word of God. Jesus warned against how traditions of men can undo His Word. I say this because nowhere does Jesus or Paul say you can continue in sin and you will just lose rewards if you have a belief alone in Jesus. 1 Corinthians 3 is referring to Paul being saved through the fire if the Corinthians (his work) is burned up (in the Lake of Fire) on account of their justifying the sins of strife and envy (1 Corinthians 3:3). Paul says to the Corinthians, “are not ye my work in the Lord?” (1 Corinthians 9:1). Paul warns the Galatians that the sins of strife and envy are the types of sins that will cause a person to not inherit the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21). This is the reality you must face, either now or at the one and only Judgment. For it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, the Judgment (Hebrews 9:27). I say of course all with love and with the hope that you may see what the Scriptures are truly saying here. Don’t try to change Scripture to fit OSAS. Just let the Word speak for itself.
 

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On 'he who endures to the end will be saved'

This is a verse not about eternal salvation, but deliverance from trials and tribulation during end times.

To see what save means... You go by the context around the word and don't just label it as eternal salvation every time.

So, a saved eternally person may not be continuously faithful..endure to the end. This does not mean 'never saved to begin with '

The P in the Calvin tulip (as well as most of the other letters) should be something different if it means OSAS. 'Preservation of the saved ' I believe is the better term.

There will be fruit from the Holy Spirit indwelling the lost person who believes in Jesus. This doesn't mean they will 'endure to the end '.
They will also have the Holy Spirit always propelling them to be faithful, so there is that, but they do have the free will to go after flesh.

The Corinthians were rebuked for fleshly ways. There were brethren (saved) among them who committed fornication. They also abused the Lord's Supper, being glutinous. Not to mention their abuse of the gifts of the Spirit.

So..the point being.. works aren't 'back loaded' into salvation as much as they aren't 'front loaded' as the likes of Bible Highlighter, Watcher2017, etc...show.
 

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On 'he who endures to the end will be saved'

This is a verse not about eternal salvation, but deliverance from trials and tribulation during end times.

To see what save means... You go by the context around the word and don't just label it as eternal salvation every time.

So, a saved eternally person may not be continuously faithful..endure to the end. This does not mean 'never saved to begin with '

The P in the Calvin tulip (as well as most of the other letters) should be something different if it means OSAS. 'Preservation of the saved ' I believe is the better term.

There will be fruit from the Holy Spirit indwelling the lost person who believes in Jesus. This doesn't mean they will 'endure to the end '.
They will also have the Holy Spirit always propelling them to be faithful, so there is that, but they do have the free will to go after flesh.

The Corinthians were rebuked for fleshly ways. There were brethren (saved) among them who committed fornication. They also abused the Lord's Supper, being glutinous. Not to mention their abuse of the gifts of the Spirit.

So..the point being.. works aren't 'back loaded' into salvation as much as they aren't 'front loaded' as the likes of Bible Highlighter, Watcher2017, etc...show.
Rightly dividing the word of truth right there...
 

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The whole of counsel of God’s Word tells us this:

”...and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith." -- Phil 3:9
When you read Philippians 3:9, you actually have to look at the context.

Philippians 3:2-5 says,
2 “…beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;“

Now let’s read a little of Acts 15.

”And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts 15:1).

”But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts 15:5).

”Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:” (Acts 15:24).

So the council of believers were telling the Gentile believers that they did not have to be circumcised to be initially saved, and they did not have to keep all of the Old Law (i.e., the 613 laws of Moses) even though we are to obey the Moral Laws have carried over into the Laws of Christ under the New Covenant.

But circumcision to get saved is the idea that Paul is fighting against here.

This is why Paul says at another point,

”Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2).

Christians are not under the OLD Law. This does not mean they are not under the Laws of Christ.
Did you not read in Romans 8:2 about how keeping the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus makes us free from the Law of sin and death (i.e., the old law)? The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is a New Covenant Law.
 

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Let's see if I have this correct. These are also my own beliefs.
1. We cannot save ourselves only God can
2. We only believe because God gave us the faith to believe
3. Jesus fulfilled the Law and our faith in Him that He did so justifies us
4. We hear, follow, remain in Him because we love God
5. We obey His commands because we love God
6. People who love God will not choose to leave God
7. That brings us to eternal security
Your first three is grace
your second three appear to be works.

We have eternal security. we are not trying to gain it as number 7 appears to be saying?

Can you clarify
 

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On 'he who endures to the end will be saved'

This is a verse not about eternal salvation, but deliverance from trials and tribulation during end times.

To see what save means... You go by the context around the word and don't just label it as eternal salvation every time.

So, a saved eternally person may not be continuously faithful..endure to the end. This does not mean 'never saved to begin with '

The P in the Calvin tulip (as well as most of the other letters) should be something different if it means OSAS. 'Preservation of the saved ' I believe is the better term.

There will be fruit from the Holy Spirit indwelling the lost person who believes in Jesus. This doesn't mean they will 'endure to the end '.
They will also have the Holy Spirit always propelling them to be faithful, so there is that, but they do have the free will to go after flesh.

The Corinthians were rebuked for fleshly ways. There were brethren (saved) among them who committed fornication. They also abused the Lord's Supper, being glutinous. Not to mention their abuse of the gifts of the Spirit.

So..the point being.. works aren't 'back loaded' into salvation as much as they aren't 'front loaded' as the likes of Bible Highlighter, Watcher2017, etc...show.
Nowhere does the Bible teach that enduring to the end to be saved in Matthew 24:13 is a reference to only being delivered from trials and tribulations. No verse actually says this in context or at another point in the Bible. In other words, you would need a verse showing how they were not in God’s Kingdom but they were saved in some mountain or earthly fortress or something. You simply do not like what Matthew 24:13 and so you say, “It’s not dealing with salvation” when there is no indication that such is so. You are making stuff up because you want to defend OSAS.
 

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"If" and "we" are conditional statements which draw a contrast between children of God and children of the devil. John here draws a contrast using descriptive language between children of God and children of the devil.

1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. (descriptive of unbelievers/children of the devil). In 1 John 2:9, John goes on to say - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. (descriptive of unbelievers/children of the devil)

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. (descriptive of believers/children of God) Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light and ONLY believers/children of God are in the light. (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Ephesians 5:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:4)

Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that walks in darkness and hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. *Hermeneutics.

So, children of the devil walk in darkness and not in the light and children of God walk in the light and not in darkness. IF confirms these two separate positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other. We must not confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture. The end result is works-righteousness.

John is not describing two separate camps of believers/children of God in which one camp of believers walks in the light and the other camp of believers does not walk in the light and one camp of believers practice righteousness and love their brother and the other camp does not practice righteousness and hates their brother, as you would suppose.
Again, you are ignoring words in the English language and how that works. You need to consult an English class. The word “If” sets up a condition. You don’t like the word “if” because it does not align with your OSAS belief. So you ignore it.

If Rick said to Bob, if I show up your house by 9:00am tomorrow, I will fix your bike. This means that only at 9:00am will Rick fix his bike. If he shows up later or not at all, the bike will not be fixed.
 

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Roman Catholics basically teach this same critical error which results in works-righteousness. To Roman Catholics (and apparently to you as well) faith "is" multiple acts of obedience, faith "is" works. So, to be saved by faith is to be saved by works as well, according to Roman Catholics and also to you.
George Sodini killed a bunch of people and took his own life because of OSAS.

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You don't seem to understand the difference between accomplishing a work by or "out of" faith (Hebrews 11:17) and being justified by or through faith. (Romans 4:2-3) Since you basically make no distinction between faith and works, the end result of your error culminates in salvation by faith and works. Just like Roman Catholics, you basically take faith and works and wrap them both up in a package then simply stamp "faith" on the package.
You don’t seem to understand the contradiction in your own belief.

If you say works do not save, then you need to consistent with that statement and say that a believer can have no works ever in their life when they live out their faith and they can still be saved by a belief alone in Jesus.

If you say works are necessary to show a true saving faith (or a belief alone in Jesus), then you believe like I do and you believe works are a necessary part of the salvation equation.

This is very simple to figure out how your belief is self imploding.
I have shown this fact to you numerous times but you still are not able to see the contradiction or problem in your own belief system.
You are not open to seeing flaws in your own belief.
You probably think that what you believe is true and so it does not matter if the belief is contradictory.
But contradictions are confusion and Gods not the author of confusion in the body of the saints.

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Abraham was justified (shown to be righteous) by works in Genesis 22, many years "after" Abraham believed the Lord in Genesis 15:6 and was said to be justified (accounted as righteous) by faith and not by works. (Romans 4:2-3)
Again, you do not understand Paul’s motivation behind his words. He is refuting Circumcision Salvationism.

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This remains your Achilles heel which keeps you from placing your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and not in works. Works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of genuine faith, but works are not the very essence of faith and works are also not the basis or means by which we obtain or maintain salvation.

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. Are you ready to believe? This could be your turning point.
Your Achilles heel is not believing certain parts of the Bible. You are trying to change certain words in the Bible to fit OSAS. Just let the text speak for itself and put OSAS aside. OSAS is darkness. Only Conditional Eternal Security is true.
 

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Says/claims (key word) to have faith but has no works (to evidence their claim) is not authentic faith but an empty profession of faith. (James 2:14) In James 2:19, we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance are in Satan as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
So you agree with me that works are needed for salvation? That’s good.

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Exactly! Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet authentic faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-26).
If we are saved solely by a belief: Then you need to stop your contradictory belief and be consistent and say that a person can live out their faith without lifting a finger for God.

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*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28)
Then your previous contradictory claims of having works to show a true faith is just bunk. No works should be needed to show a true saving faith if salvation is solely based upon believing upon the redemption of Christ alone.

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It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-26) *Perfect Harmony* (y)
No. You set up a contradiction and you cannot see it.
 

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Your statement is a false dichotomy.

The concept that we have no part in our ultimate fate is a false premise. If the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not an option, it the not truly good news.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

The use of "whoever" signifies choice.
Believing in Jesus includes believing everything He taught, said, and did. If you believe in a false Jesus that taught we can sin and still be saved that would not be believing in the correct Jesus. Believing in the Jesus of the Bible is believing His words in how He warned against sin in various places in how it can destroy our souls in the afterlife (See: Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62).
 

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So, in a nutshell, do you believe that Jesus totally saves us OR do you believe that we have to help Jesus save us? Is the work that Jesus did on the Cross complete OR do we have to help Him finish it?
So what do you make of all the warnings in Scripture about being unfruitful leads to condemnation in the afterlife?
What do you make of all the warnings on sin in the Bible in how they can destroy our soul in hell?